You think this wasn’t part of the plan? Crash the economy, then use the bad economy as a rationale to impose deep austerity and privatization.
Plus, it’s easier to commit atrocities against your citizens when the free world can’t see. Wealthy Russians and Saudis will still visit.
Get what you deserve by treating every foreigner like a criminal, and threatening to take over every country. The USA will be 1st in the world in the race to the bottom with this policy.
Industry stakeholders urge policymakers to reconsider travel and immigration policies that may inadvertently discourage international visitors. Reestablishing a welcoming environment…
Rebuilding confidence among global travelers, promoting diverse attractions beyond traditional hubs, and enhancing the visitor experience through innovation and inclusivity are key strategies recommended by tourism economists.
I’m no tourism economist but fat chance of that happening anytime soon while the felon is President.
and trump is doing this at the behest of putin to, what better way than USA now focusing on putin.
This article is a bunch of fluff. Do we have any data to support the claim that tourism is down? What are the projected losses based on?
I mean, I do have to concede that multiple accounts of abuse by TSA and border patrol, including solitary confinement without charge, plus many countries issuing a travel warning for America isn’t ‘data and projected losses’…
There’s multiple reports over multiple weeks showing declines of 15-25% in automobile crossings at the Canada/USA borders. Some flights have reduced frequency as well.
E.g
Now, I can’t speak to losses, and this is only from Canada, but it’s not nothing either.
Data from our may long weekend last week will probably be out soon as well.
IDK why they don’t link to the actual report they’re referencing but it appears they’ve been a real player in travel/tourism data for several decades.
I’m happy because this will hurt Florida’s crappy economy the most.
Maybe people will finally stay the fuck out of that state.
Florida is a shitty place to visit anyways, it’s all mosquitos.
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Mosquitos interrupted by daily rain and a hurricane or two every year.
Not to mention the sinkholes. And anacondas and alligators and that crazy slug that eats houses or some shit. And worst of all, the Floridians
More like America Worst Policy
Good. I hope thousands of landlords can’t afford their extra homes and are forced to sell, driving down housing prices.
Last time housing prices crashed in the USA, people’s incomes crashed as well or their mortgage obtaining ability did. All it meant was that the already rich and corporations were able to buy up real estate cheap. Did not remotely help 90% of the population.
All it meant was that the already rich and corporations were able to buy up real estate cheap.
Something like half of all real estate is owned by private equity.
If you genuinely care about wealth consolidation among the ultra-rich, and you seriously want to do something about it, there’s a Little Red Book with some helpful advice.
But just propping up Boomer real estate values for another ten years isn’t an answer either. It’s a losing game to pretend you can outwit Blackrock on home ownership.
They will only be replaced by richer landlords
Yeah, private capital can just roll in and buy it all up, great!
its usually the already corporate landlords, will bought off by even larger ones, like blackrock.
Y’all Qaeda strikes again!
Tourists are a bunch of homos anyway - trump supporters probably
The only reason you should come to America is because you’re picking me up to take me out of America.
Send nudes.
You don’t want them.
They don’t need to be your nudes.
If it will help me emigrate then here:
Mmmmnnff Grade-A teets!
Then why should I pick you up?
I’m funny.
Sorry. I only have an opening for a sex slave right now.
I’m a wage slave, that’s almost as bad.
I’ll send all the nudes if you can secure me a visa and a job in Europe.
I feel like if they saw me naked I would be barred from entering the E.U.
Not only tourism. Scientists are cancelling conference attendances of fear they‘ll get harassed or deported (which already happened). It’s such a shame because science need exchange.
They’ll have to hold their conferences somewhere where they’re safer.
its actually worst than that, scientists are fleeing the us, to europe, nz, or australia, and canada. the only STEM majors that can flee are the ones with BS/AND MS degrees, theres very little market them out there.
and farm laborers, the owners are whining they have to do ACTUAL FARM WORK NOW.
Then they’re cowards. They’re already bowing to fascism and yeah, I’m going to say it straight up. They’re fucking cowards and they should be called out for It. If you’re fucking leaving the country if you’re afraid to speak up and you have actually something that’s worth saying if you have some way to attempt to stop this and you do nothing out of fear you’re a fucking coward.
I’m just gonna say this we’re all going to die so quit pretending like you won’t if you have something that will help other human beings and you are too afraid to use it. Fuck you you piece of fucking shit. You cowardly piece of shit. You will deserve what you get.
I think a boycott is a pretty effective way to protest and they are in a unique position where doing so is noticed by some.
Foreigners have no obligation to come to the US. Them not coming and not spending cash here is another crack in the dam that can help lead to the flood.
Organizers have no obligation to hold events with an international audience in the US. Them spending that cash in a foreign land deprives the US of revenue and likewise is another crack in the dam.
Besides, this regime in DC is actively attacking science as a whole to force their false narratives onto the public.
I’m not coming to America and sacrificing my life for their piece of shit government. They can fix their own fucking problems.
We are lucky that we live in a time with the Internet so they can still communicate with each other pretty easily. In the past when things like this would happen they didn’t even get that. Hopefully we can still make progress in spite of this
Republicans are actively anti-science and defunding scientific research wherever they can, so they won’t care.
Just had a prominent colleague return from a conference in Italy. He was stopped at the border and questioned for several hours, making him miss his flight.
Was your colleague stopped by the Italian border police or the ones in the USA?
Stopped at re-entry to the US.
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Yes, so presumably your colleague went through the passport control when leaving Italy and when entering the United States. I am asking where the long delay happened.
And he’s getting a lawyer and suing them right?
And don’t come back with some type of bs about how is he supposed to do that? I keep hearing from literally everybody.
Trump sues everyone in this country. You could sue anyone for anything sue them do something anything. Literally anything is better than nothing - write a fucking article! I keep hearing about everyone’s fucking friends. I don’t care about your fucking friend. Where are they? Why aren’t they fucking writing something? Why aren’t they doing altering? Literally anything with their position they have that’s much higher than the people I’m working with now who are attempting to help and they’re literally artists and people that work in grocery stores and retired folks meanwhile, scientists are getting stopped at the border and their friends are and telling us this bullshit while I don’t see any first hand accounts barely and when I do, they are just on social media!
They have power in their position where the fuck are they? Why aren’t they fucking telling everybody? Why aren’t they fucking suing them? Do something, anything, just do something!
Welcome to the Orange Turd depression MAGAts.
Another shocker
Nobody knew not pissing off the whole world could be so complicated.
they dint learn from covid era, they arnt going to learn now.
Good. Dont come here. This country and the people are so messed up. They need a wake up call.
Was actually gonna plan a visit for 2027. Obviously won’t now.
Much of this 2025 number is even people who probably bought their trip sometime last year (as I guess, on average, people plan their trips at least 6 months ahead?) I wonder what the impact will be during the end of 2025 and next year.
If the world doesn’t have a major depression there will not be an impact on the areas you wish there were. They will use it to destroy blue states. They’ve checkmated us. We need our allies to understand what is happening and react already.
I do what I can for blue states and liberal values and institutions - but I’m absolutely not travelling to a country ruled by idiots who hate me and might throw me in a cell for no reason. As if I’d want to stay in their version of USA permanently anyway…
japan, and south america, and asia are alternative destinations.
Yup, gonna have some trips around Southeast and East Asia as well as Australia and NZ… probably Canada one day as well.
Especially Chile has some incredible landscapes I’d love to experience as well
Please don’t travel the people in those countries don’t deserve it. Plus every where you will go you still will be you so it won’t make things better. You have a lot of growing that needs to be done from within before your ready. have you ever been to Florida?
I used to think I might become a snowbird, but since 2016 I found the US visibly declined every year, and that accelerated sharpy during COVID and of course far more so now. Needless to say I’m not going in the short term, and I’m not hopeful the country will still exist in the long term.
That’s what Mexico is for. And the food is better.
I’d prefer a retirement destination with a statistically insignificant chance of being murdered or kidnapped. Costa Rica is much higher on my list than Mexico.
The food is really, really good, though…
florida, was a favorite destination for canadian snowbirds, but the state is sinking into the ocean, plus desantis wouldnt do anything about hurricane related infastructure/insurance. and then theres the overwhelming amount of invasive species that florida has, and many people base thier “Exotic pets operation there” for a reason. if florida dint have climate that resembles central and south america subtropica/tropical climate, it will be another run of the mill texas, lousiania or alabama.
It’s not that bad.
The US is big and very diverse. There’s something for everyone here, and you can do your part to make change.
it is that bad, going to any other state , is still supporting trumps regime in form of taxes.
If are thinking about coming to the U.S. this summer for vacation, please do not. Things are bad here. Worse than the news is letting in, even. PLEASE don’t come here. Things are only going to get worse this summer.
Dont worry I’m not going to the USA even if I’m paid for it.
My boss asked me to head our international exchange student program, which includes traveling with groups of students, and my acceptance was conditioned by not having to go to the US.
Is it worse then Lemmy filtered news lets on?
As the other commenter said, it depends on where you are. But I would say, overall yes. Nobody really wants to talk about how bad it is/shaping up to be. The people preparing for serious defensive action are all dark, and everybody else is somewhere between denial, anger, or depression.
There are a lot of spinning plates in the air, and they seem to be all falling down at around the same time. A small example of this is the 20,000 new ICE agents that the administration has order to be quickly hired. Back during the campaign, they had Trump loyalists at his sign up to “work for the Nation”. That’s almost certainly the pool that they will be hiring undertrained, and armed Trump lackeys from. That means within the next 2.5 months, Proud Boys, Boogooloo Boys, Patriot Prayer, Patriot Front, J6 insurrectionists, and many other actual Nazis will have badges, guns, and a mandate from the federal government to round up immigrants, dissenters, disabled, and anybody else they deem to be “undesirable”. And that’s just ONE of the plates spinning in the air.
people is still in denial, over here in the west, they act like nothing bads going to happen or is happening. i have met people that were recent magat converts because they watches j-rogan over the eleciton year, its sad. they are completely unaware of why YE is supporting musk.
With ICE already acting like nazis as it is, that sounds very scary. Something I heard is that people may already be self-censoring themselves for fear pf the consequences - not just at the high levels but also normal citizens
Generally, no. But it’s still probably risky to go through border control as a non-citizen, especially if you’re brown.
Things can change and are kind of expected to get worse by many, but for the vast majority of people here life hasn’t changed much. Yet.
Depends on where you are in the country currently.
^— it’s worse than the news is letting on.
Oh no! I was agreeing, not correcting :D I didn’t even realize the typo was there
I know you weren’t correcting me, but I went ahead and fixed it anyway :)
Who wouldn’t want to vacation in a country where one could be snatched up, held for weeks or even months, and finally deported? If you’re very lucky, you’ll be deported to your home country.
So what you’re saying is: Foreign tourists can save money by buying a one way ticket to America, and we’ll send them back on our dime.
On the return flight you may be chained to your seat on the plane, but hey, it’s free!
No shit, fuck around and find out.
