You think this wasn’t part of the plan? Crash the economy, then use the bad economy as a rationale to impose deep austerity and privatization.
Plus, it’s easier to commit atrocities against your citizens when the free world can’t see. Wealthy Russians and Saudis will still visit.
Get what you deserve by treating every foreigner like a criminal, and threatening to take over every country. The USA will be 1st in the world in the race to the bottom with this policy.
Industry stakeholders urge policymakers to reconsider travel and immigration policies that may inadvertently discourage international visitors. Reestablishing a welcoming environment…
Rebuilding confidence among global travelers, promoting diverse attractions beyond traditional hubs, and enhancing the visitor experience through innovation and inclusivity are key strategies recommended by tourism economists.
I’m no tourism economist but fat chance of that happening anytime soon while the felon is President.
and trump is doing this at the behest of putin to, what better way than USA now focusing on putin.
People come to the US for tourism?
No, not anymore.
Well, to be fair the country has been shitty for 10 fucking years easily. So what we have here is you actually saying it’s OK if America fucks Americans and destroys American livelihoods but the moment America started messing with my country is when I took a stand. So now you see how we got here.
Well, I got some fucking news for you. Hitler wasn’t fucking taken out by his own country. Germany needed a little bit of help from the rest of the world. Have you lazy fuck not notice the fascism has been right at the door for 10 years Yet? Who needs enemies we’ve got allies that won’t even fucking help.
And he stole that election and they’ll steal yours next. With America out, no one will come to help you either.
I’m happy because this will hurt Florida’s crappy economy the most.
Maybe people will finally stay the fuck out of that state.
Florida is a shitty place to visit anyways, it’s all mosquitos.
Mosquitos interrupted by daily rain and a hurricane or two every year.
Not to mention the sinkholes. And anacondas and alligators and that crazy slug that eats houses or some shit. And worst of all, the Floridians
The mosquito is the state bird of Florida.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. As an American, I hope America falls into a depression.
I hope it ends with a Green New Deal
LAMF
What a shit situation that they have Americans hoping their own country fails.
I absolutely do not hope for a depression. You will NEVER see small business again. You will NEVER own a house. Our future will be utterly gone.
What we need is what can’t be said.
Rhymes with schmevolution
You will NEVER see small business again. You will NEVER own a house. Our future will be utterly gone.
I just hope everyone in my family can buy food and medical care.
What a shit situation that they have Americans hoping their own country fails.
It’s like finding out your dog has rabies. You don’t really want to watch your friend suffer and you certainly don’t want it to watch it inflict this horror on anyone else.
I absolutely do not hope for a depression. You will NEVER see small business again. You will NEVER own a house. Our future will be utterly gone.
Would forestalling a plunge in GDP prevent that? It seems like our finance sector controls everything - lock, stock, and barrel. The only way out is for this system of suffocating domination to end. And that’s going to mean abandoning a fixation on (often fictitious) capital growth at all costs.
That doesn’t mean people will simply stop doing business with one another. It doesn’t mean personal homes done for.
It does mean that - on paper - GDP is going to fall, as all that hot air comes out of a FIRE sector inflated to the moon.
But it also means abolishing a ton of personal debts, ridding ourselves of bullshit jobs, and reorganizing our economic administration towards value creation rather than labor extraction
No one alive today has had to live through a depression; I don’t think you really understand what you’re saying
No, those of us in that camp know exactly what we’re asking for.
During a depression many people will die and the ones affected the most will be those that are already struggling under the current system. A depression will likely result in the currently rich becoming exponentially more wealthy, as they’ll have the resources to weather the depression
You may know, but you clearly don’t understand.
See Ileftreddit’s reply re: only the ones already struggling being most affected.
Good. I hope thousands of landlords can’t afford their extra homes and are forced to sell, driving down housing prices.
Last time housing prices crashed in the USA, people’s incomes crashed as well or their mortgage obtaining ability did. All it meant was that the already rich and corporations were able to buy up real estate cheap. Did not remotely help 90% of the population.
All it meant was that the already rich and corporations were able to buy up real estate cheap.
Something like half of all real estate is owned by private equity.
If you genuinely care about wealth consolidation among the ultra-rich, and you seriously want to do something about it, there’s a Little Red Book with some helpful advice.
But just propping up Boomer real estate values for another ten years isn’t an answer either. It’s a losing game to pretend you can outwit Blackrock on home ownership.
They will only be replaced by richer landlords
Yeah, private capital can just roll in and buy it all up, great!
its usually the already corporate landlords, will bought off by even larger ones, like blackrock.
Y’all Qaeda strikes again!
Tourists are a bunch of homos anyway - trump supporters probably
Why would you not want to visit a fascist hell-hole where human rights don’t exist, the rule of law has broken down, and you can be abducted, imprisoned without charge or deported at any moment just for the crime of being foreign?
While in here US citizens can freely come and go as they please… unfair, to say the least.
Who gets the worse end of that? All things considered I’d much rather have a free country to come home to.
There have been far too many examples of ICE detaining law biding citizens at this point. I’m a US citizen and I don’t even want to travel too far.
Welcome to the Orange Turd depression MAGAts.
Another shocker
Nobody knew not pissing off the whole world could be so complicated.
they dint learn from covid era, they arnt going to learn now.
Good. Dont come here. This country and the people are so messed up. They need a wake up call.
Was actually gonna plan a visit for 2027. Obviously won’t now.
Much of this 2025 number is even people who probably bought their trip sometime last year (as I guess, on average, people plan their trips at least 6 months ahead?) I wonder what the impact will be during the end of 2025 and next year.
If the world doesn’t have a major depression there will not be an impact on the areas you wish there were. They will use it to destroy blue states. They’ve checkmated us. We need our allies to understand what is happening and react already.
I do what I can for blue states and liberal values and institutions - but I’m absolutely not travelling to a country ruled by idiots who hate me and might throw me in a cell for no reason. As if I’d want to stay in their version of USA permanently anyway…
japan, and south america, and asia are alternative destinations.
Yup, gonna have some trips around Southeast and East Asia as well as Australia and NZ… probably Canada one day as well.
Especially Chile has some incredible landscapes I’d love to experience as well
Please don’t travel the people in those countries don’t deserve it. Plus every where you will go you still will be you so it won’t make things better. You have a lot of growing that needs to be done from within before your ready. have you ever been to Florida?
I used to think I might become a snowbird, but since 2016 I found the US visibly declined every year, and that accelerated sharpy during COVID and of course far more so now. Needless to say I’m not going in the short term, and I’m not hopeful the country will still exist in the long term.
That’s what Mexico is for. And the food is better.
I’d prefer a retirement destination with a statistically insignificant chance of being murdered or kidnapped. Costa Rica is much higher on my list than Mexico.
The food is really, really good, though…
florida, was a favorite destination for canadian snowbirds, but the state is sinking into the ocean, plus desantis wouldnt do anything about hurricane related infastructure/insurance. and then theres the overwhelming amount of invasive species that florida has, and many people base thier “Exotic pets operation there” for a reason. if florida dint have climate that resembles central and south america subtropica/tropical climate, it will be another run of the mill texas, lousiania or alabama.
It’s not that bad.
The US is big and very diverse. There’s something for everyone here, and you can do your part to make change.
it is that bad, going to any other state , is still supporting trumps regime in form of taxes.
If are thinking about coming to the U.S. this summer for vacation, please do not. Things are bad here. Worse than the news is letting in, even. PLEASE don’t come here. Things are only going to get worse this summer.
Is it worse then Lemmy filtered news lets on?
Generally, no. But it’s still probably risky to go through border control as a non-citizen, especially if you’re brown.
Things can change and are kind of expected to get worse by many, but for the vast majority of people here life hasn’t changed much. Yet.
As the other commenter said, it depends on where you are. But I would say, overall yes. Nobody really wants to talk about how bad it is/shaping up to be. The people preparing for serious defensive action are all dark, and everybody else is somewhere between denial, anger, or depression.
There are a lot of spinning plates in the air, and they seem to be all falling down at around the same time. A small example of this is the 20,000 new ICE agents that the administration has order to be quickly hired. Back during the campaign, they had Trump loyalists at his sign up to “work for the Nation”. That’s almost certainly the pool that they will be hiring undertrained, and armed Trump lackeys from. That means within the next 2.5 months, Proud Boys, Boogooloo Boys, Patriot Prayer, Patriot Front, J6 insurrectionists, and many other actual Nazis will have badges, guns, and a mandate from the federal government to round up immigrants, dissenters, disabled, and anybody else they deem to be “undesirable”. And that’s just ONE of the plates spinning in the air.
people is still in denial, over here in the west, they act like nothing bads going to happen or is happening. i have met people that were recent magat converts because they watches j-rogan over the eleciton year, its sad. they are completely unaware of why YE is supporting musk.
With ICE already acting like nazis as it is, that sounds very scary. Something I heard is that people may already be self-censoring themselves for fear pf the consequences - not just at the high levels but also normal citizens
Depends on where you are in the country currently.
^— it’s worse than the news is letting on.
Oh no! I was agreeing, not correcting :D I didn’t even realize the typo was there
I know you weren’t correcting me, but I went ahead and fixed it anyway :)
Dont worry I’m not going to the USA even if I’m paid for it.
My boss asked me to head our international exchange student program, which includes traveling with groups of students, and my acceptance was conditioned by not having to go to the US.
Who wouldn’t want to vacation in a country where one could be snatched up, held for weeks or even months, and finally deported? If you’re very lucky, you’ll be deported to your home country.
So what you’re saying is: Foreign tourists can save money by buying a one way ticket to America, and we’ll send them back on our dime.
On the return flight you may be chained to your seat on the plane, but hey, it’s free!
Nice. Hope tipping system goes away.
I live in a major tourist city, and the word around town is that there will be a steep decline from foreign visitors, but many are still coming anyway, because they’ve had their vacations booked for months, and it’s too late to change.
But if this keeps up, next summer will be a bloodbath.
we wont see any actual data/decline until winter, or next year. trump is totally obsessed with tariffs, and he will keep doing this for his pump and dump schemes.
