The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.
[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they’re masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.
At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.
The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.
Shame this doesn’t happen more often.
I’m surprised it hasn’t
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
I dunno. Depends on the agency, these days.
I hope the people directing ICE to mask up take notes of this. They won’t. If they do, they’ll take the wrong lesson from it.
No, the original statement was correct. Real law enforcement does not wear ski masks. Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.
Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.
And they are bestowed power above the justice system by the commander in beef
Wishful thinking is enticing
By all accounts, ICE are real law enforcement, with the power, and authority of the state to enact the will of the ruling class on us.
Close enough I suppose. I think of them as Decree Enforcement. Nothing lawful about how they act.
I was wondering where this would happen first. TX makes sense. They have more ICE than any other state.
In other news two positions for ICE officers just opened up for the Huston area.
Circle pattern the door and your bound to hit the bastards. Glad to read the mask is backfiring.
This is why is a good idea to have an armed citizenry and well-regulated militias operating with transparency.
I agree, and I still feel much of our country’s gun safety issues are educational and cultural issues, rather than permission itself.
I do NOT believe in mandatory military service, but I do think our citizens should be much better taught in how to be useful, reasonably disciplined, and coordinated human beings, to themselves and others. This shouldn’t be just “soldier training.”
Emergency management, wound care, and team coordination should not be “specialized training.” Then maybe sense would become more common and organized, sane militias would be viable.
Instead, things like “wearing a mask above your nose” and “not shooting yourself in the foot” are excused by “lack of specialized training.” Good Lord, I weep for the species.
Human beings are incredibly capable, and on the whole we’ve let ourselves be domesticated into consumer cattle…
I believe education is constantly gutted by these loons WHILE they push the gun-religion and rugged-individualist narrative so that the uneducated 'muricans FEEL tough, but stay effectively powerless to coordinate a resistance to actual tyranny.
Hell, they can’t even recognize it right in front of them anymore, or in their hearts and minds.
But hey, let’s keep our chins up! Maybe leftist gun ownership will be a cool symbol of freedom now, and we can openly mock the neolib “only cops should be able to protect you” disarmament fairytale.
Transparency?
Transparency: noun. The quality of being done in an open way without secrets.
Example: “the DHHS office was being operated without any transparency. That is until we walked in on the Secretary in the conference room fully nude, savagely defiling the corpses of various large mammals as he quaffed a goblet of raw sewage water.”
Sorry this has to be spelled out for you, but I was questioning what he meant by transparency as it applies to the subject.
Hope the homeowner is acquitted of any wrongdoing or damages in court.
It’s texas. He’ll probably get a medal or something from his local law enforcement and a round of talk shows on fox if the colors line up with what fox likes/doesn’t like.
So long as he’s not brown or poor.
If it was cops or ICE, everything else the same, they would definitely be in custody on a $100 million bond and charged with murder and terrorism.
I’m from the area. It all depends on how white and Republican you are. They stack the Grand Juries with “respectable members” of the community (white, male business owners typically) who no-bill white folk for killing minorities.
In a very public case, a white small business owner/homeowner shot 2 unarmed minorities in the back, killing both as they fled a neighbor’s house. They never stepped on the killer’s property and never threatened anyone. The homeowner called 911 and said he was going to kill them and get away with it. The operator said not to shoot and to go inside because police were just seconds away, and he killed them anyway.
The grand jury refused to let the prosecutor take the case to trial because killing black people is a public benefit in their eyes.
So the families of the victims sued the killer, and the state responded by outlawwing civil suits over any case involving a firearm that didn’t first include a felony conviction.
This is actually why Texas is great and Joe Horn did nothing wrong. You can’t trust the police, but I absolutely trust my neighbors.
When a cop says a minority wasn’t charging somebody when they got shot to death, I am more likely to believe him.
And let’s not forget that the police department chose not to arrest him because he was a white business owner. If Horn had been black, he’d have been killed on the scene or executed in Huntsville.
Damn, that’s all incredibly fucked up
So I looked up the case for anyone’s edification what happened is 2 pieces of human garbage were robbing his neighbor and running away with bags of their valuables. Aside from being robbers they had criminal convictions in Columbia for drug trafficking.
When confronted by the shotgun wielding neighbor the dangerous drug trafficking robbers refused his order for them to stop and one ran onto the neighbor’s yard TOWARDS the shotgun wielding neighbor and the other ran away. He shot both.
Quoth the shooter
Horn, to dispatcher: “I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice.”
Because of this the rest of the neighborhood wasn’t victimized by drug dealing robbers breaking into their houses. Nobody ultimately had a run in with scumbags because someone was home when the robbers thought the place was empty. Nobodies family members got murdered to avoid leaving witnesses. Nobodies sanctity got violated.
But don’t worry the New Black Panthers protested the scumbags deaths and threatened the fellow making their entire side look deranged and unreasonable when there are plenty of bad shoots by trigger happy cops perpetrated against actually innocent victims they could have been focusing on.
This definitely shows a lot of perspective, thank you!
I really wish people looked at these cases more objectively, considering the humans involved and not simply:
“How can I paint this to forward my narrative obsession of the moment?”
It’s like our entire society is based around social media clout farming. I know weaponized reporting is nothing new, but sheesh.
I wouldn’t feel I had much choice either, if someone who just robbed a neighbor was charging at me in the dark. Suddenly after the fact, the internet is chock full of experts in ballistics and self defense law.
But you’re right, it definitely defeated a future threat to the neighborhood residents. I haaaaate suburban Rambo Nextdoor toughguys as much as the next reasonable person, but this doesn’t sound like that.
There’s plenty of systemic issues to tackle around crime, but breaking into peoples’ homes to loot and potentially harm them is always a choice carrying a significant weight of FAFO.
Saying non-violent burglars and drug users deserve to die because Joe really wanted an excuse to kill isn’t exactly objective.
The only witness to the killing was a plainclothes officer who said he shot people in the back while fleeing.
Stealing shit isn’t a capital offense. As a society, we decided long ago that even a judge and jury can’t kill someone for burglary. Why is it okay when the psycho neighbor who isn’t even a victim does it?
Breaking into a home isn’t “non-violent.”
Breaking into a home isn’t non-violent. People break into places that they THINK are empty all the time or have the victims come home during the robbery all the time. If they keep doing this they will with 100% certitude come into direct conflict sooner rather than later. Furthermore the act of violating someone’s home is inherently a violation. Your argument is like saying rape is non-violent if nobody fights back.
The shooter told 911 they were coming at him, after basically saying he wanted to go kill them. The police officer who witnessed the killing said they were fleeing and that he shot them in the back.
I’m not some anti-gun dude. I own over 50 guns and used to work in the industry.
But that motherfucker should be in jail. Non-violent criminals don’t deserve the death penalty - least of all from some psycho neighbor who has a hard-on for violence and essentially announces his intent to kill before going outside and killing.
I don’t care. I don’t care if drug dealers robbing people got shot. I’m on balance a little happier that they got whacked because they literally represent a threat to people like myself and my family whereas I will never have to worry about getting shot robbing people.
It appears that it wouldn’t speak to cases that were never brought it would only immunize them if the grand jury is sought and declines to indict OR the case is dismissed rather than requiring a conviction to bring the suit.
This means they can’t opt out of liability by ignoring the case. This doesn’t appear on its face to be bad law. If Texan’s decline to indict when they ought to then that not the law is the issue.
Likewise if its even possible to stack the jury that again is the problem not the law.
No. It applies to all civil suits regarding gun crime.
It effectively raises the standards of civil suits when guns are involved, which are not supposed to be the same as criminal.
Good. If you aren’t guilty, you shouldn’t have any liability what-so-ever. if anything, once declared not-guilty (or the case never make it to court) any further pursuit of the victim should result in criminal harassment charges. Leave the victims alone, even if they are white.
If the neighbor backs into your car, should you be able to pursue damages if the person who hit you isn’t sent to prison?
Because if, instead of running into your car, the neighbor had accidentally shot it while unloading their rifle for cleaning, you can’t sue them if they aren’t imprisoned.
Absolutely not. I have state mandated insurance and while the regulations around insurance are fucked up, the insurance company should pay for my claim, then they can look at their legal options for reclaiming damages. If someone “accidentally” shoots a gun, that is negligence and the outcome of that action may result in criminal action, if it does, then sure let me file a civil case if it doesn’t, then again I have insurance.
If someone breaks into a home, they have committed violence against me and my family, and in a tight-knit community I’d expect neighbors to respond in-kind and help a member of that community from being victimized.
as they fled a neighbor’s house
Were they leaving a neighbors house or were they in fact fleeing from robbing the neighbors house.
They had been burglarizing the neighbor’s empty house and were leaving.
That isn’t worth killing over.
I think it is worth killing. The world is a slightly better place for every such person who gets killed.
Stuff is never more valuable than human life, and you have no idea what material conditions led to this behavior.
In a vacuum that is correct. But material conditions must never lead to random act of violence for selfish gains, it frays the threads of society and leads to a worse outcome for everyone. If you are hungry, go steal from walmart, go rob a bank, don’t break into someone’s home, you don’t know (and obviously don’t care) about the circumstances of your victim, so why should a society extend you the same courtesy?
I’d say you’re right, but the kidnappers were cops.
Yeah not offilicially, but they had masks and guns and ill intent and were claiming the titled, so cop unions will pressure prosecutors to go hard.
Probably realised they weren’t real police because they knocked rather than just kicked his door in and shot his dog.
Thanks for the advice, the next assassin team we send will just skip the door knocking.
No details on the nationality of the homeowner? I wonder if they are Hispanic. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some MAGA zealots tried to play ICE and it turned out like this.
Why “play” when MAGA zealots can just become ICE agents and get paid to be racist and violent?
hopefully we see more situations like this where unknown aggressors attempting to abduct people are successful
unsuccessful?
Nice.
Doesn’t surprise me that this sort of this is starting to take off in Houston.
“Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.”
It’s going to be very, very interesting to see how this one turns out!
Always a good idea to be aware of lethal force rules where you live:
In this case, Houston, Texas:
"The Role of the Castle Doctrine in Texas
The Castle Doctrine is a key element of Texas self-defense laws. This principle allows individuals to use force, including deadly force, to protect themselves in their homes, vehicles, or workplaces without a duty to retreat. Under Texas law, your “castle” is considered a place where you have a legal right to be, and force may be justified when:
Someone unlawfully enters or attempts to enter your home.
The intruder is committing or attempting to commit a violent act, such as robbery or assault.
You reasonably believe force is necessary to protect yourself or others.
There are some limitations to this principle. For example, the use of force is typically not justified if the intruder is retreating or if you initiated the altercation."
So, assuming the story is accurate, and remember, initial reports are almost always INACCURATE…
“At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.”
So, yeah, as soon as they shot through the door, Castle Doctrine is in play.
In reality, if the masked intruder you shoot happens to be a cop, then Castle Doctrine is irrelevant. You’re now a cop murderer. They’ll figure out some legal or extra-legal way to see you behind bars or dead.
Not 100% true. Though I admit it’s rare, but in Texas a man was acquitted after killing a police officer trying to break into his house. Castle-Law absolutely came into play there.
This is the most recent I can find, but it’s happened several times in the past as well. It should happen more often, but unfortunately the defender rarely survives.
The story you linked isn’t about a police officer trying to break into a man’s house. It’s about a road rage incident.
Castle-Law applies to being in your car as well. But yea, the story I linked is similar, but not the one I was thinking about. It’s very hard to find specific news stores these days unfortunately. :/
So, yeah, as soon as they shot through the door, Castle Doctrine is in play.
Standard self defense law also covers this in every US state and most countries; if someone is shooting at you and there’s no way to quickly get to a place where they can’t hit you, it’s legal to kill them to make them stop.
And what you want to say (with an attorney present) is that you used necessary force to eliminate the threat.
I overheard a cop at the hospital I work at kinda laughing about that: apparently it’s super common for people to plead the 5th, then proceed to run their mouth and incriminate themselves.
So, I fucking love that video for how persistent it is about ‘but then the cop keeps asking you questions’ ‘but then they bring you to the station’ and regardless of how far into the process it gets, shut the fuck up.
Funny presentation, but rock solid advice that people really do struggle with.
Not that people with guns trying to break into a house are necessarily very smart (both burglars and Nazis), but what’s the plan here? You hit the homeowner and then you just have a shot guy on the other side of a still locked door. You gotta be really dedicated to robbing that particular house this particular night to jump to do that.
I’m guessing the order of events is off. Shooting at thugs trying to break into your home and those thugs shooting at someone shooting at them makes perfect sense.
This is Texas we’re talking about. There, people shoot at each other just to say hello some times 🤷
Unless you’re responsible for protecting children during an active shooter situation in a school. In that case, you let the active shooter say hello to everyone while you piss yourself.
Eh, if it’s a standard door in america, a few kicks will stave it in. So they would have open access to the house in just a moment after they ensure there is one less resistor on the inside.
Maybe they were trying to shoot the lock. Akin to smashing car windows and dragging people out, as they’ve done in LA.
Some cops actually wear ski mask-type stuff like that when they do sting operations. Seen it myself a few times.
“Police said the two men were wearing bulletproof vests and had some sort of badge around their necks.”
The Nazis want badges alone to be enough of a signifier, but frankly anyone trying to break into your home without presenting identification and a warrant should be treated as a threat.
Badges and “identification” can be bought at dollar stores.
Nobody is going to be able to check their authenticity in the middle of a firefight, and by the time you let criminals enter your house to show you their “ID”, it’s already too late.
ICE agents wear masks more often than not, from what I can tell.
Know your rights!
Maybe this could be a warning sign to those cops that they shouldn’t do that, or they might be shot.
Oh, who am I kidding. That just means cops in ski masks will shoot first more often.
Yeah, they want to turn the temperature up. If they can just start shooting brown people on sight, it’d make everything easier.
Fuck home invaders. Glad the homeowner had the tools to defend himself!
KHOU 11’s Michelle Choi spoke with a neighbor, who said they heard a total of 22 gunshots.
The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.
So what you’re saying is… he did think they were cops.
I…who can count that many gunshots?
Do you not?
Honestly, you start counting as soon as you hear the first one. Glock is what, 14+1? Big .357 only holds 6, some 38 special revolvers hold 7. Counting can save your life.
Depends on which Glock, whether it’s fitted with an extended mag or not. Count all you want, if the other person is using a semi auto pistol, you can’t know how many rounds they have loaded, and changing to a fresh magazine takes almost no time.
Well, don’t count then. IDGAF
Glock has a bunch of different models with varying capacities. And some companies make extended magazines that hold up to 40 rounds. And that’s just Glock.
Counting is not possible in real life.
I mean, I count all sorts of shit and gunfire is one of those things.
The Glock 43 carries a 6 or 7 round mag standard, you can buy 12 round mags and 50 round drums.
Well, if you have a Ring camera, you could playback the video.
Possible. If that’s the source, then the reporter didn’t report it correctly.
Texans
You sure? There’s conflicting eyewitnesses accounts of how many shots were fired at JFK. The Warren Commission settled on three, and whatever it actually was, it couldn’t have been that much more.
Nobody said they were good at counting.
I thought I read somewhere that there was a Ring camera.
The homeowner has a Ring camera, not sure about the neighbor.
Bullet proof vests and fake badges? Wasn’t a robbery but a st Valentine’s Day massacre style hit job.
