Not dividing the left, just consolidating the right

“Suicide”

I don’t think I was totally clear. It’s not that I think they have no fault in the matter, but I don’t think they’re the root of the problem. Nor do I think that being mad at them does anything to address our current situation. My point is, direct the blame at those most responsible. The oligarchs and the right wing politicians have earned at least 99% of the blame for where we’re at. I don’t see any point in attacking the victims of propaganda, even if you think you wouldn’t have fallen for it.

I believe that, but it’s important to remember that there’s very little consistency in schooling. There’s a wide range of quality in public schools even within my state. Before you even mention private schools with their own agendas

I don’t love “dumber than dogshit” to describe a group of people, even Trump supporters. It places blame and denigrates those people while giving a pass to the environment they grew up in that gave them indoctrination instead of real education.

It shouldn’t but it does still baffle me how Trump is so consistently pulling from the Hitler playbook while still having as many people that do deny it

Not trying to simp. Just saying you and I don’t know what’s really going on over there because of how our dear leaders control all the information that comes out.

Cowbee is mostly correct so I’m not going to address everything but there are 2 pieces I want to respond to.

Greed is rewarded in every economy.

That doesn’t seem to be true. Like an economy that doesn’t funnel money into individuals. Or even moneyless economies like Library or Gift. (Though moneyless economies imply we’re achieving actual communism, going beyond socialism)

No, socialist systems like free housing, healthcare, education can exist alongside capitalism. Worker owned systems like cooperatives still operate in a market.

Are you talking about free housing (etc) programs being managed as a cooperative, alongside a commodities market of cooperatives? If yes, that’s not capitalism, that’s socialism. If no, then you must be talking about a welfare state like what’s in Scandinavia, which isn’t socialist.

Kind of relevant to both points, there are a few different schools of socialism so you could see if any make more sense to you.

First, don’t point your finger at capitalism as the problem.

You already lost me

Second, acknowledge & understand greed and how it is inherent in all human nature.

I would rather acknowledge and encourage humans inherent nature to cooperate and grow together.

Third, build systems that minimize the damage done by individual or corporate greed.

Like building an economy that doesn’t inherently reward greed? I wonder what that would look like.

Check against consolidation, monopolization, and short term Wall St like thinking of endless growth.

These things exist because of capitalism

Four, make sure socialist programs exist to support everyone

That’s social welfare. Being socialist means the workers own the means of production

capitalism is not the only way to live, it’s optional

It’s so easy to live in the USA and just not do capitalism /s

the European nations seem to be doing things quite alright

Do you understand that their wealth was pillaged from the global south?

Can you give me a description of what makes socialism bad solely based on how it works (not referencing any country who may have attempted it)?

I can’t look at NK because the world capitalist economy isolated them, so I’m not going to argue about their material conditions. I don’t think anyone is immune to greed, but I think having a system that rewards greed is going to turn it from an aberration to an epidemic.

To your first point, let’s pretend you’re right and look at it in the abstract. What is to be done? Do you want to kill greed? How would you do that?

Capitalism rewards greed, thus perpetuating it and entrenching it. So capitalism is the root of our greed epidemic

I was trying to remember what it means to be indicted by a grand jury

In a grand jury, they are simply determining whether there is enough evidence to even seek a trial in the first place and to bring these charges on behalf of the people. Because of that, the standard is much lower. The standard is probable cause

Also it just requires a simple majority

Can you take a picture of something that would show you’re in NK that has no duplicate on the internet?

this isn’t the only option but it’s recent and relevant

The large majority of resources and facilities are owned by a small minority of wealthy individuals whose only goal is making money. People with more interest and passion in the field in question would continue to innovate as long as they had the resources to do so.

Capitalism stifles innovation

I would love those 2 to have the most expensive trial in history

That’s only true of the too few people that control too much resources

I didn’t have much in but I’m divesting from all stocks and cashing out. Everyone should sell it all and let the market crash.

No, it’s not wrong. But you’re not allowed to take truly replenishing time off in this capitalist system. It’s not just unfair, it’s unsustainable and it’s on the way to collapsing. Hopefully we can create a better system in the rubble. Until then, don’t let it break you.