hmm so death is an appropriate consequence for killing people, huh. so she’s admitting that Luigi allegedly delivered justice, actually.
I think it’s inappropriate for a lawyer to use stage names though. I mean, Pam Bondi? come on.
pam, bondi who recieve releection bribe from trump to drop her case against him about trump university.
This is important. When Trump was starting his first run for president, he was fighting his many state lawsuits for his Trump University fraud. She was the Florida AG, and they were about to levy a $25 million fine against him. He had a meeting with her, he donated $25K to her reelection campaign, and she dropped the case, amd became a supporter.
That let him know the kind of AG she was, so he gave her the Fed version. He WANTED a corrupt AG that he can bribe.
He delivered the people’s justice and they hate that. It took awhile but they are finally getting some of their base to agree that Luigi was wrong. Their messaging has been consistent. Murder is wrong. Funny because I know some of the Podcaster I listen to hint at killing p3dos and rapists. So clearly there are exceptions to every rule.
Pam bondi can suck an egg
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Remember nothing about this will be a fair trial. This is going to be the most cooked trial you’ve ever seen in your life. Jurors will be downright threatened if not bribed.
Idk man, while I agree, I think the trump trials before the elections was the lowest point.
Homer voice: lowest point so far
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That microcosm reflects the broader “This is terrible but i’m still too comfortable to do anything about it” mentality of the masses. The world is fucked and it’s all of our fault for letting a handful of people make things worse for all of us. We, including myself, are all guilty of this crime. We need to do something.
Trial starts and it’s just trump in the jury box. Because executive powers are made up and laws don’t matter.
Yep, I came to comment this. Honestly this could be pretty good news for player 2 - getting a jury to convict when the punishment is death will be much, much harder.
That’s true in state crimes, but federal prosecutions are actually very different.
Federal prosecutors have a lot more room to argue and in general the court tends to favor the prosecution much more.
The judge is responsible for sentencing (and Trump appointed a lot, guarantee he gets a Trump judge), while discovery is much more restrictive against the defendant.
Finally. Justice will be served for the good of all.
When the jury acquits him? I agree.
Just block this dude. He’s not worth listening to on anything, and he’s not worth arguing with.
Let’s try and keep old.lemmy.world a clean, hygienic place by blocking the garbage.
The only justice would be to fire and jail all healthcare CEOs and, reform the industry. Luigi has killed far less people than the average CEO.
They are so fucking scarred, they want to give a message.
It’s not sending the message they hope it is.
Plot twist; they are trying to make more Luigi’s.
100% this. We have actual murderers in prison for life who have killed several people. They’re still here and will be until they die.
This is 100% a message that rich people’s lives are more important than any of our lives. And they’re willing to kill to prove it.
Scarred or scared?
I think it’s both.
If you could make God bleed, people would cease to believe in Him. There will be blood in the water, the sharks will come.
Yeah, both, double tap on mech keyboard
Not sure martydom has been historically successful from the point of view of the oppressor
people largely forgot about navalny, he fear if he stayed out of russia too long, his martydom would not be useful, and largely been ignored since his death. MSM is in cahoots with putin indirectly, so they wouldnt report him anyways.
Fuck you, Pam Bondi.
Americans don’t have the balls, I’ll believe it when I see it. Unfortunately Americans are more likely to use their 2nd ammendment on themselves.
What I was thinking too.
He’s never getting out, and I’m sure he knows it. He carried his manifesto for days. He wants to make a statement.
Kill him and see what that gets the government. Middle aged white women are paying attention.
So they want to create another merteur. Okay. Lets see how that will turn out
Merteur? Martyr?
I have no idea how spell it in english
Martyr, my friend, if that’s what you meant.
funny thing luigi was originally a right winger before he shot the guy, guess the msm arnt going to reveal that fact that he was originally one of thier own.
I mean, to be fair, when I was younger my viewpoints changed as often as I changed my underwear
Nasty
Every month?
Sometimes every 2 or 3 months. Seemed like a reasonable time frame!
Yeah well I think I don’t have any real viewpoints which is also a viewpoint I guess. I just adopt things based on a whim or need. One day a commie, another ancap. Do these words mean anything anymore
I guess all that counts at the end of the day is how well off you are and clear conscience and the paths to achieve that are myriad
There is nothing honest I can say about Luigi because fundamentally I don’t care. Some American drama, another one in the long streak of news. There is no hate, there is no love. The only constant is indifference
Let’s talk about something interesting for once like color theory or classical paintings.
if ideologies feel like temporary costumes, maybe the real focus is the pragmatic pursuit of well-being and a clear conscience. The modern news cycle thrives on manufactured stakes, and indifference might just be the sanest response.
Don’t you all not feel burnt out from the constant outrage?
I don’t have any hard set-in-stone viewpoints either, to be fair. I feel like I have a set of core beliefs values, but otherwise I’m fairly impressioniable and feel differently depending on the specific topic. I never understood people who just label themselves by a specific ideology and then just base everything off of that.
I gotta say I feel a great deal of sympathy with what Luigi stands for though. Murder may be despicable, but if the common people don’t stand up against the unfair system no one will - and I certainly feel no sympathy for the victim. Especially in this Trumpian era of tech-fascists trying to turn all of humanity into slaves.
However, I do agree with your take. The news are designed for shock value and quick consumption. It’s not a meaningful pursuit - and I’ve personally spent too much energy on Trump… although it’s hard not to since I’m Danish and he wants to invade us…
Good luck with that singular thing lol. It’s just insane ramblings that will pass away leaving not even the dust
Most likely. But when the biggest military power in the world directly threatens you, you’d be stupid not to take precautions.
Remember: Nothing ever happens
Ehh, stuff definitely be happening. People also never thought that Russia would flat out invade Ukraine
Let’s talk about something interesting for once like color theory or classical paintings
No
Some American drama, another one in the long streak of news. There is no hate, there is no love. The only constant is indifference.
Don’t you understand this is the precise mindset that is powerless to resist fascism and in fact sets the table for it?
The point of the firehose is so you stop caring, congratulations you did it! Do you want a medal?
But it’s really hard to sympathise with anyone here. Someone killed somebody, somebody other killed someone other maybe, maybe not, depending on your beliefs and political stance.
People kill each other each day for myriad of reasons why is this particular case any more interesting?
Everyone has some kind of manifesto and stuff they really want someone to read. They think it is very important I am sure.
In the end it is just murderers doing the killing things not really that interesting unless you are into true crime in which case I prefer mysterious disappearances
So they want to make a martyr of him.
No. They want to take away a martyr.
How long is the average stay on death row?
And how long is the memory of the average american voter?
You and me will have moved on to the next battle and ten other battles by the time they shoot him. Collective memory will have other priorities and we will forget.
Thats the trick. The appeals process alone takes so long that you will either be completely lost by that point, or your disinterest shouting support for fifteen other vigilantes, that it wont matter.
If they convict, hes fucked. Hes not a martyr. Hes a statistic. And thats how they convince the next one not to do it. You are not joan of ark. History will treat you not as a savior, but as a wildcard random… So why bother? A healthcare ceo is not franz ferdinand.
We arent there yet…
Okay, but they could accomplish that by not attempting to seek the death penalty. If they simply tried to imprison him for 40 years the exact same effect would be achieved, but without grabbing headlines.
“Life without parole” vs “the death penalty” hold a different connotation for the average person.
Its about perception. Not logic.
The death penalty had never really made sense for 80 years. Basically ever since we eliminated firing squads or the guillotine. Ever since we said, “guilty, kill em now, move on”
But we hold execution in a much higher regard. The death penalty is certain. Life in prison… well thats ambiguous. We are still fighting a culture war on the death penalty for literal decades now, despite the fact that it makes absolutely zero difference to anyone not directly involved in the crime.
The actual, logical, real world difference is minimal. But if you want to send a message. Well then, the perception is magnificent.
Sentenced to death has meaning. Until you drag it out so long everyone forgets.
Is it about perception or making people forget? I don’t think it makes sense to have it both ways, the perception created by a death trial keeps this in people’s minds and runs contrary to making people forget.
If they wanted to memory-hole him they should have just shot for a long sentence, like 40 years or something. Life ruining but ultimately uninteresting for the average voter. By sending a message they force people to remember; “Oh yeah, a CEO got murdered on the street. Wasn’t that cool?”
Wasn’t Timothy McVeigh executed relatively quickly?
I think you’ve argued against yourself. If the point is that perception matters, then death penalty makes him a martyr if convicted. The point is that the actual punishment matters, then either one has a chilling effect on going around and doing that kind of thing.
What’s certainly true is that calling for his death now only highlights the horror of our country’s inability or unwillingness to lock up corporate executives who kill countless Americans every day. It doesn’t take a genius to see the blatant inconsistency there, to see that rich and powerful killers are protecting their own.
The modern but lone version of Saccho and Vancetti.
History something something repeats…
Oh hell no
How to make a martyr in 180 days?
It’s really crazy we are literally living in a new type of world.
The wealthy ARE the powerful, but the rest of us out number them to such grand extent that the only way they can remain wealthy is through fear and murder.
There is no war but class war.
No they can remain wealthy by being wealthy and enjoying their wealth and not obsessively doing everything possible to ratfuck everyone else with their wealth.
They did this to the anarchist assassins (And accused assassins) in the 1930s, too. Started summarily deporting people en masse for their beliefs or presumed beliefs, and executing people after brief appearances in kangaroo courts. Honestly if Germany hadn’t gone Nazi and basically dragged the us into a war with them, we would have done it instead.
Well bullets don’t discriminate, so there’s that.
Say that last bit louder for those in the back.
This has a potentially significant chance of backfiring, as it is more difficult to get a jury to convict when the death penalty is at stake.
sound bites for the scared fox boomers. nyc doesnt have death penalty, but the arrest has been botched from the start.
Reminder: New York doesn’t have a Death Penalty on the books
That’s why they added the terrorism charges to his murder charges. That makes it federal, which means they can seek the death penalty.
One of the federal [emphasis mine] charges against Mangione, murder through use of a firearm, makes him eligible for the death penalty if convicted.
Mangione has pleaded not guilty to state charges.
