Spotify, SoundCloud and other platforms have pulled the song, but its spread underscores the challenges tech platforms face in removing content that violate their policies.
Spotify, SoundCloud and other tech platforms have worked to remove a new song from Ye that praises Adolf Hitler, but the song and its video have continued to proliferate online including across X, where it has racked up millions of views.
On various mainstream and alternative tech platforms this week, Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, has been able to share his latest song, titled “Heil Hitler,” along with its companion title, “WW3,” which similarly glorifies Hitler, the architect of the Holocaust.
While some platforms have taken steps to attempt to pull down the song, others have seemingly let it spread freely.
This might be nitpicking, but NBC should be more precise.
which similarly glorifies Hitler, the architect of the Holocaust
Adolf Hitler wanted and ordered the extermination of the Jews and other “undesirables”, no doubt about that or his culpability. But the role of “architect”, the person who designed the logistics for mass killing, is normally ascribed to other people. Adolf Eichmann, the guy the Mossad captured in Argentinia in 1960, is usually called the “Architect of the Holocaust”. Sometimes together with Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Himmler.
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he stopped taking his BP meds, after his mom died. Kim divorced him over his disorder.
Seemingly went nuts after his mom died.
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It’s literally called “Heil Hitler”.
I think anyone who defends him needs to back up now.
Whoah, whoah, we don’t want to be jumping to conclusions about who may, or may not, be a Nazi. /s
removeds See My Twitter But They Don’t See How I Be Feeling So I Became A Nazi
Lyrics from the song
This whole, “people don’t understand I have feelings so I decided to hate” thing incels and Nazis do is so fucking cringe
There’sa lot of hateful racism among many young hip hop fans
The dude is clinically sick, asshole
"Hey, now, maybe he was just trying to “put his heart out” to people. Also he’s autistic or something.
Him saying “I looooove Hitler” on Alex Jones was just him saying “I don’t live Hitler”, but in secret code."
- MAGA, probably
It’s music. I don’t really care what the lyrics are, we are censoring music and art. I don’t like where this is going.
Police in Australia have been cracking down on drill rap and it’s abhorrent to see.
Who gets to decide what art is objectionable and have it censored? We’re throwing ourselves toward an authoritarian and dystopian future.
Be the change you desire and just don’t listen to music you disagree with.
The guy is once again professing his love for Hitler. This song is normalizing the Usage of Heil Hitler. How the fuck do you not see that?
Haven’t been able to find the song, so can’t judge for myself
never meet this Hitler guy, idk he might be ok, can’t judge a book by its cover
Yep, so in Australia NSW police have been contacting Spotify/YouTube/etc with requests to delist certain songs from Sydney drill rap bands that glorify and promote gang violence against Spotify’s/Youtube’s/etcs policies, the streamers have in some cases agreed and delisted the music, in other cases they have not and the music remains. This is after the groups theyve had issues with (eg One-Four) have caused multiple riots and had several charges and convictions, so it’s arisen from a desire to serve public good. Only certain tracks have been targeted from what I can see, not whole albums or artist catalogs.
That’s a far cry from the government deciding what art people can or cannot listen to in my opinion. They have only asked some streaming platforms to adhere to their own policies, and then tbe platforms have made their own decisions on case by case basis.
Is there other actions I’m not aware of? The govt hasn’t passed any laws to block the sale of drill rap nor banned its play on radio etc?
He’s a Nazi and he should be fucking shot.
And none of those platforms have to host the material. I don’t know what drill rap is.
Who gets to decide? The gallery, the sculpture garden, and YouTube.
I agree with you, BTW. However, I haven’t seen any government attempt to censor this song yet. Song sucks though, and I’m a fan of early Kanye.
Private entities should be free to delist whatever they choose
In Australia the government is banning music/artists
Show us where the government in Australia has banned music / artists? I cant find anything about this.
https://themusicnetwork.com/nsw-police-onefour-anti-outlaw-tactics/
NSW Police admitted it forced the hand of venues around the country. “We are shutting down their concerts"
Just use your guns to protect your other freedoms?
I don’t know why this has to keep being repeated. It’s not hard.
Free speech does not mean you are entitled to have a private entity like a website host your content or speech.
He is welcome to sing this on the streets. He is welcome to publish this himself, be it hosted by a website he creates or in a physical medium.
He is not entitled to it being placed on retail shelves. He is not entitled to have it hosted on YouTube or Spotify.
This isn’t hard. The government of the United States has made absolutely no moves to silence this song. He can sing it and personally distribute it as much as he wants. But no one can be forced to distribute it for him
No one is claiming private entities have to host it lol, did you even read my entire comment? I literally wrote private companies can delist what they want
So you’re ranting about what exactly? Kanye has faced no repercussions from the government. The only thing that’s happened was backlash from fans and private entities not hosting his songs.
Still trying to find the “attack on free speech” you ranted about
Not “ranting” about anything. In Australia the government cracks down on music. Don’t be like us.
Dude, this song is practically an ode to the current US government. He’ll probably play the orange turd’s birthday parade. This isn’t a warning that’s necessary here.
But why educate others wrong? You may not sing heil Hitler on the streets. It is a hate crime
That depends on your country. In Germany singing this song on the street would be illegal.
In the USA where Kanye lives and produced this song it is perfectly legal to sing in the streets.
Yes because it is a nazi state. There is no confusion here
This would have been legal forever, kind of a stretch to say it was a Nazi state while defeating the Nazis.
Now I won’t disagreee with you, but they’re irrelevant to the free speech stuff
The states are now extremely nazi, foremost in the world. The mecca of nazism
You may want to consider the tolerance of intolerance here champ
That’s not really at issue here.
This isn’t the government deciding what art is objectionable, and arresting those who play music they don’t like. This is a private company deciding what it wants to host in it’s library, that it curates, it pays license fees for, and sells subscriptions too. Ye or any Nazi absolutely has the right to make and sell any music they want. They however don’t have the right to force another company to sell their music for them.Are you saying you think it’s ok to give a platform to content explicitly promoting genocide and Nazism so long as it has a beat?
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Yeah, if he’s singing about how we should all gas the Jews, or kill all the Palestinians, or mass murder all Ukrainians, it’s all fine, it’s just art, you see?
I’m glad I don’t have your big smooth brain
Totally wrong on this one. Your rights end where others begin. Is it OK if a guy writes a song about torturing and killing you. You specifically. No? What about 3 songs? 10 songs?
There’s a very clear line in free speech. You are free to say what you wish WITH IN NORMAL PARAMETERS! Does this protect some hate speech, or what a targeted group might see as hate speech? A bit. But not the brazen stuff. You want to stand on a corner and talk about how the pope controls the weather? OK. You want to stand on a street corner and clearly call people to violence to harm Catholics and their property? No. That’s not free speech. You aren’t allowed to call people to violence.
Is praising Hitler, and other neo nazi garbage hate speech? Yes. It’s hate speech. There’s no Hitler that didn’t kill millions of people. There’s no nazi party that didn’t call people to action and violence. You don’t have the freedom to stand on a street corner and clearly make appeals to specific violence. That’s never been allowed.
Bad take on Ye’s Hitler music
With the art excuse we are at the point that saying “heil Hitler” is not okay but singing it is okay.
Dude. There’s a limit to that expression. There’s a reason why nobody likes Nazi’s and they deserve a punch in the face at minimum. Don’t be on the repeat side of history by performing some kind mental gymnastics to preserve freedom of expression and inadvertantly protect Nazism with that argument. That’s what apologists do now and did in the past.
Always remember this: if you have 10 people eating dinner at a table and 1 of them is a Nazi, how many nazi’s do you have? The answer is 10 Nazis.
I belive the answer is 11.
I’m failing to see the joke or the math here.
So if there is a new song that lists all of the high up government official’s addresses and tells everyone to kill them and a billionaire will give them a million dollars to do it, that would be cool? You think that would be art? Nah dude, those song people would get a knock on their door before the song plays though 10 times.
So we’re doing nazi apologism now?
They’re really embracing the “let him cook” meme.
We’re throwing ourselves toward an authoritarian and dystopian future.
Precisely why we must not allow the glorification of nazism to perpetuate.
Be the change you desire
That’s illegal.
No.
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You are disgusting. Your argument is wack and holds no water. Social media has no obligation to host hate speech. Fuck you for being a bottom dwelling Nazi apologist.
Not defending the OP but his argument is that here in Australia the government is doing the censoring, he’s all for platforms delisting it if they wish. As an aside, that’s effectively the same thing (as argued by people like Philip Adams here in Australia)
As an Australian, I find government censorship of the arts problematic, this case is glaringly easy to agree with but there are a plethora of edge case issues that leave me feeling uneasy and I’m squarely on the side of Karl Popper with this.
As to everyone “disliking nazis”, thats not true. Russia is led by one, as is the US and India, the current Austrian Government is led by a a political party set up by literal Nazis, across the border the AfD is praised by the US.
Look at Hannah Ardent and Albert Einstein’s letter to the newspapers about the horror of Israel. So I’d suggest there is broad support for nazis, unless u mean literal nazis from Germany circa WW2, of which there aren’t many left but we had one in charge of NATO, another designing rockets for Nasa and on and on, so there is that.
https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
This seems like it was written by AI as it addresses practically nothing written here but goes off on tangents. The couple pieces that were relevant are wrong. There is nothing here to suggest that government censorship has fuck all to do with Kanye’s “art” and also OP said jack fucking shit to indicate they’re ok with social media taking it down. They seem very opposed to it actually. Which is why everyone hates them.
Is it still music and art that should be platformed when it calls for genocide?
The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonightGonna kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor tonightShould the song I quoted be banned? If not, where exactly do you draw the line?
Is that ChatGPT?
No, it’s Dead Kennedys. It’s written by gigantic leftist Jello Biafra and intended as satire.
I don’t think Kanye’s song is satire. I think he’s mentally ill and meant every word to be taken literally. But I look at songs like Kill the Poor or California Uber Alles, and I start to doubt whether some stuffy old politician would be able to tell the difference in intent between those and Kanye’s song. I don’t think that old politician should be given the power to ban any of them.
Anyone who listened to California Über Alles and thought it was a pro fascist song would be absolutely brain dead.
Can you link the lyrics that call for genocide?
Why was my comment removed?
The song is literally called Heil Hitler…
I can’t find it anywhere, maybe it’s satire?
You need to spend some time thinking on the (misnamed) “paradox of tolerance”. The idea you’re espousing is exactly the most critical, fundamental misunderstanding of tolerance as a moral value.
The “paradox of tolerance” is the idea that one must even tolerate the intolerant - it would be a paradox because this tolerance ultimately ensures the unbridled spread of intolerance. Folks weakly on the left have misunderstood this forever.
But there is no paradox, never has been. Tolerance must never be given to the hatefully intolerant. Nazism can never be tolerated, it must be defeated as quickly as possible everywhere it sprouts up. And I do absolutely mean violently, I am not talking about just simple ostracism or censorship.
A society that tolerates the hatefully intolerant is fully doomed. Please, come to realize that you are not advocating for anything high-minded, you are advocating for the destruction of all things beautiful, art or otherwise.
it would be a paradox because this tolerance ultimately ensures the unbridled spread of intolerance. Folks weakly on the left have misunderstood this forever.
While I can’t read what you’re responding to, that doesn’t follow (it can be ignored or protested) & no, they haven’t.
The paradox of tolerance doesn’t lead to a unique conclusion. Philosophers drew all kinds of conclusions. I favor John Rawls’:
Either way, philosopher John Rawls concludes differently in his 1971 A Theory of Justice, stating that a just society must tolerate the intolerant, for otherwise, the society would then itself be intolerant, and thus unjust. However, Rawls qualifies this assertion, conceding that under extraordinary circumstances, if constitutional safeguards do not suffice to ensure the security of the tolerant and the institutions of liberty, a tolerant society has a reasonable right to self-preservation to act against intolerance if it would limit the liberty of others under a just constitution. Rawls emphasizes that the liberties of the intolerant should be constrained only insofar as they demonstrably affect the liberties of others: “While an intolerant sect does not itself have title to complain of intolerance, its freedom should be restricted only when the tolerant sincerely and with reason believe that their own security and that of the institutions of liberty are in danger.”
Accordingly, constraining some liberties such as freedom of speech is unnecessary for self-preservation in extraordinary circumstances as speaking one’s mind is not an act that directly & demonstrably harms/threatens security or liberty. However, violence or violations of rights & regulations could justifiably be constrained.
A point of clarification: tolerance has a number of paradoxes identified in the SEP, and the paradox in discussion is more precisely called the paradox of drawing the limits.
Opposing basic civil liberties like freedom of expression is very authoritarian & small-minded. Basic rule on policymaking: don’t give yourself powers you wouldn’t want your opponents to have.
Quoting A Man of All Seasons
Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law for my own safety’s sake!
Sacrificing basic civil liberties when they don’t suit you is a threat to everyone. Their willingness to do that is why everyone hates authoritarians. It’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.
There are better ways to beat these shitheads, and it’s been done before. Contrary to what you wrote, defending civil liberties regardless of whose is high-minded & defends everyone.
That’s a lotta words to say we should tolerate things I say we shouldn’t. We can disagree, but I’m not all that interested in getting scholarly about it - the writing’s on the wall, we have real - not theoretical - fascism headed our way within this 4 year presidency and we’d better be ready to fight.
Enjoy your Stanford political philosophy. I’m gonna keep watching for further sieg heils on national stages, and I know what I’ll do if they become too widespread.
I wish you’d help, but above all, I wish you well.
We can disagree, but I’m not all that interested in getting scholarly about it - the writing’s on the wall, we have real - not theoretical - fascism headed our way within this 4 year presidency and we’d better be ready to fight.
- Scholarly: you brought scholarship into this by invoking paradox of tolerance. I had to point out that people whose vocation is to think harder & longer than you on this have drawn conclusions at odds with yours. Therefore, your reasoning is not on firm, settled ground.
- Realism: your conclusion is not only theoretically challenged. Cracking open a history book reveals it’s unnecessary & ill-advised in practice.
The civil rights movement overturned defacto ethno-fascism & advanced equality by using & promoting civil liberties, not opposing them. Freedom of expression & the free speech movement were instrumental.
Even when the threat is real, compromising civil rights to combat it spills beyond the threat & backfires. Read about the Red Scare & McCarthyism to see government restrict civil liberties in the name of security (the Soviets were spying in the Manhattan Project & Federal government), Congress seize the chance to wield a partisan weapon against anyone they flimsily accuse of “Un-American” activities, the lives ruined through rights abuses, the work it took to wind back those laws. Truman criticized those restrictions as a “mockery of the Bill of Rights” and a “long step toward totalitarianism”. For his reckless witch hunt against communists, Joseph McCarthy was criticized as “the greatest asset the Kremlin has”. Persecution ultimately harmed anti-communist efforts more than help them, and critics argued it distracted from the “real (but limited) extent of Soviet espionage in America”.
Read about how basic freedoms like speech & assembly were indispensable for disenfranchised activists to advance universal suffrage as they fought to lift restrictions due to property ownership, race, poll taxes, tests, sex, age.
Read about the considerable work those activists performed using their civil liberties to organize, picket, resist, & act in civil disobedience to gain the expanded freedoms you take for granted today. Look at their work & struggles from the abolitionist movement to black lives matter, and look at the work the activists of today are not doing. Notice how they didn’t organize to weaken basic protections whereas people who think like you argue we should.
Arguing to squander basic protections with some wishful thinking that elected authority will reliably fight your causes for you without as easily turning against you
- is a lazy failure to understand the limitations of authority & its risks for abuse when you tear down protections against it
- spits in the face of everything past generations of activists fought for.
Like you, I oppose fascists and (more generally) authoritarians, but I’m very clear about why. Authoritarians don’t respect limits to authority: they would tear down those pesky rights & liberties that protect free society & stand in their way, and they would readily crush people & everything we hold dear for their unworthy cause.
“Resisting” authoritarians chipping away at free society by chipping away even more is exactly what authoritarians would want. How thinkers like you don’t see that is beyond me.
Your prescription is wrong & serves authoritarians: I cannot abide it.
Your belief that I don’t understand these ideas or haven’t encountered them is incorrect. In fact I used to prioritize those ideas myself, and encouraged others to do the same.
I don’t even really disagree with most of that, I’m not talking (at all) about clamping down on free expression in a general sense. I’m saying that a free society must not equally allow every possible expression, and that anything invoking and glorifying Nazism in specific is beyond the pale and must be stopped, including violently when necessary. My point of view is not extreme, nor is it authoritarian (by my measure). There are thriving democratic nations who do exactly this right now, Germany being the example I have in mind (though I do acknowledge their special history with regard to that precise topic).
I’m also saying you seem far more interested in splitting hairs and discussing theory than solving problems. And that works fantastically for the right-wing folks who only care about winning. They don’t argue ideology in good faith, they instead exploit the willingness of others to do so (like you’re insisting on here) because it drags them into unproductive conversations and creates feuds (like we’re doing here).
I’m not advocating for anything I’d call authoritarian, but that word means something different to everyone. I am saying tolerance must have its limits, or the spread of intolerance over time is guaranteed. I’m really uninterested in going further with you. You are not bringing me anything new or that I find valuable. You are bringing me points I have considered, largely accepted, and in narrow cases, have chosen to reject. I didn’t say I’ve never gone into a scholarly direction on this stuff. I said I am uninterested in doing so here. My original comment about paradox of intolerance is something that person needed to hear. I never had any intention to be rigorous with my telling, and I stand by everything I said regardless.
I can tell that you feel really strongly about this stuff and I think we’re on the same side. I think I probably agree with you more than you realize. I want to say one more time - I’m not interested in discussing these details. It isn’t that I don’t find them valuable, can’t understand them, or never have learned about them. There are other valid reasons for not wanting to, and I’d appreciate a little intellectual charity from you. But that’s yours to give, not mine to demand. I do wish you well.
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Your belief that I don’t understand these ideas or haven’t encountered them is incorrect.
It’s more an observation that your position isn’t justified well.
I’m saying that a free society must not equally allow every possible expression, and that anything invoking and glorifying Nazism in specific is beyond the pale and must be stopped, including violently when necessary.
You are talking about weakening legal integrity of fundamental rights & committing violence against nonaggressors (violence against peaceful expression is never necessary): that’s flat out illiberal & incompatible with free society. Worst of all, you’ve failed to demonstrate any of it is necessary or sufficient to safeguard the fundamental rights free society stands for: basic logic indicates it does the opposite. Moreover, historical record discredits your position & shows such approaches when attempted are easily abused by authorities, harm society, and end up failing: you remain conveniently mute on this.
Claiming to have heard & understood it all before doesn’t mean your position now isn’t broken & muddled. “Defeating” illiberal movements in ways that end up defeating free society is incompetent advocacy. I think you’re mistaking fighting fascism (even at the expense of fundamental freedoms that define free society) with defending free society.
Anyone who seriously cares about free society needs to oppose illiberalism from your direction, too. I do. Your illiberalism is more insidious than overt fascism, because someone might mistake yours for progressive.
The only positive is there’s a better chance of reasoning with misguided people trying to do the right thing than someone who definitely wants to end free society.
they instead exploit the willingness of others to do so (like you’re insisting on here) because it drags them into unproductive conversations and creates feuds (like we’re doing here)
No, this disagreement is real. I cannot support recklessly subverting fundamental rights to score cheap “wins” that ultimately result in loss. Committing to a free society requires integrity to defend all of it consistently.
It’s seems to me your “solution” adds to the problem. It’s possible to oppose it, oppose facism, & argue for a better solution.
Moreover, it seems to me you’re falling for their game. Testing integrity by trying to provoke society to weaken its legal protections enough to punish offensive exercise of fundamental rights is a classic challenge illiberals pose to lure society to attack free society.
authoritarian, but that word means something different to everyone
Advocating for unnecessary limits on liberties is objectively illiberal. Weakening integrity of legal protections for fundamental rights increases their vulnerability to abuse by authorities, which is a step toward authoritarianism.
My original comment about paradox of intolerance is something that person needed to hear.
But it’s wrong, your reasoning is unsound, and no one has to agree with it. Your logic isn’t compelling.
Germany being the example
Germany is not a great example. Do their restrictions inhibit the rise of abhorrent movements? People still speak & assemble privately. Neo-nazis are still around. AfD continues gaining with its intimations of ethnofascism skirting barely within legal limits. German laws seem ineffective at deterring the rise of far-right extremism, which looks hardly any different in the rest of the world.
Meanwhile, Germany has internet patrols penalizing vitriol, insults, & satirical images of politicians showing fake quotes & live police suppressing pro-Palestinian protests as anti-semitic. So, German laws seem effective at helping authorities stifle & penalize online criticism. At least when authorities (following eerily similar rationalizations in the US & Germany) try to suppress pro-Palestinian protests, protesters in the US have firmer legal claims to defend their rights.
intellectual charity
The Principle of Charity means interpreting your words in their truest, likeliest meaning favoring the validity of your argument. It doesn’t mean just letting you have the argument.
If you don’t want to justify your claims convincingly, that’s fine. I’m still going to tell everyone who reads this why I think a free, democratic society deserves better than the deeply broken idea you’re pushing.
While I wish you well, too, you and the rest who endorse that thinking seem sorely misguided, and I wish you would think better.
Who gets to decide what art is objectionable and have it censored?
Me
The government isn’t silencing him. Private entities are deciding not to support it. Forcing them to would be against free speech.
Private companies that were perfectly happy capitalizing on all the murders and drugs going on in the rap business
Over here it’s the government cracking down on music, and that’s the lens I have
Private entities should be free to delist content (or not) of their own choice
Nah this is fucked, stop trying to be whatever this is.
First of all, these are private companies, not governments. They can technically do whatever TF they want, and we probably shouldn’t have ceded so much power to them.
…Anyway, I think you have a point. Or at least part of one.
It’s reasonable to draw red lines like “no nazism on our platform.” But at the end of the day Spotify and such can ban whatever they want, with no repercussions since it’s basically a network of defacto, legally shielded monopolies.
So how would we feel if, say, they started banning podcasts a little too popular and too critical of the president?
In other words, banning nazism as a policy is fine, but arbitrarily banning what looks bad to them is indeed going to be a problem.
While this can certainly be interpreted as defending awful people (which I’m sure someone will) with an awful message, I tend to agree with you.
Music is art, and like any artwork its quality does not depend on its message. I have to admit that the gay fish was never the kind of artist I enjoyed simply because the rap tracks I like are few and far between. (Wtf is drill rap?)
But to use a different angle: I’ve always been a metal head, and there’s quite a lot of black metal that I enjoy. And as most sensible people understand, that doesn’t make me a satanist.
So the obvious question is then: Is Ye’s newer stuff any good? Well, fuck if I know. I cannot name a single song Ye made. But he’s not exactly making it more tempting to try and like his stuff.
Yeah I couldn’t give a shit about Kanye but to censor music and art is a bit far
https://open.spotify.com/track/1sL87X0pfBCIi0oJp7PefE
Some Australian drill rap for ya
Unsurprisingly, it’s not my cup of tea. And I don’t even drink tea.
Why are they censoring that, though? I didn’t notice any lyrics more controversial than what you’d hear elsewhere.
They have a documentary if you are interested https://www.netflix.com/au/title/81485425
hope he will tour in germany soon
“Nazi Song Big Hit On Nazi Platform”
why do y’all give him so much attention?? Tf ignore him the fame already got to his head…
Stop calling him Ye, it’s so cringe and stupid. His name is Kanye West and he’s a black white supremacist
Take your meds, Kanye
Mental illness is no longer an acceptable excuse.
This is full blown malignant narcissism. And it makes people associated with him lots of money.
I wonder how much of his write off for his behaviour comes from being rich and famous. I know damn well some dude on the street talking like Kanye would get no sympathy from regular people.
Eh more like he needs to be taken out to pasture.
Why? We’re giving him exactly what a narcissist needs like the rest of us need oxygen:
Attention.
Almost the entire world’s media is geared to push outrage.
I’m not sure meds fixes… this.
kanye:“never”
They don’t make a Clozapine big enough.
Who listens to this shitty artist anyways. I get the shock or discovery plays, but dude is straight trash anyways lol.
What an ignorant thing to say, he’s a fucked up person but he’s one of the most talented musicians of our age. He singlehandedly ended gangster raps reign over the rap genre by dropping an album where he sang about his feelings in autotune. Honestly I don’t know why im arguing with you, you’re probably just gonna turn around and use some shit excuse like “its mumble rap” or something.
Nah, I respect your opinion and taste. That’s the thing about art, you can love or hate it. You love it, and I hate it. Simple as that.
I could never stand him even at the peak of his popularity.
The “Golddigger” song wasn’t terrible, but then, I’m not a huge rap fan, so that’s the only song of his I know.
i couldn’t name a single one, or recognize him or his songs from the audio alone. and i’m only cursed with knowing what the asshat even looks like because the attention whore gets the media attention he craves.
Same. I could probably fill a page of A4 with stuff I know about him because I got fed it by The Algorithm, and yet nowhere on that page would there be the name of one of his songs.
People have their own music tastes and that’s okay
For example, you now have something other than Skrewdriver to listen to.
i WISH i didn’t like his stuff, but years ago (pre-Nazi shit by a long time) he used to be a really talented artist and he had a really major effect on rap as a genre. i don’t listen to his old stuff since the Nazi shit cuz he needs consequences fr, no matter how small, but it honestly sucks a lot cuz he has some really really great music. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is one of the GOAT albums imo, and as sad as it is to say about someone profoundly mentally ill i think it woulda been best for his career if he died around 2016 😭
You can just pirate it and he doesn’t get any money, yet you get the music.
Every time it comes on i think that, but it’s usually in the car and i forget by the time it’s relevant lmao
Lol, Kanye has never been a talented artist. At least, not objectively. Plenty of people have thought he was trash since day one.
Ah yes art is “objective”.
By that logic no person in the world is talented at anything lol. I don’t disagree with the idea that people are allowed to hold the opinion Kanye has never been a good artist, but I’m not sure what point you’re trying to go for.
I’ll fight Kanye for charity. Live on the internet.
Tell him punkrocksportsfan is not afraid to fight him. Why’s he afraid of punkrocksportsfan?
I’ll fight that dude. Don’t gotta get ready if you stay ready, right.
Name the time and place Mr Kanye West.
Careful he might try to suck your dick.
A bj is a bj.
You know what they say about letting a Nazi suck your dick…
What do they say?
You did nazi that coming.
Pretty sure that makes you a Nazi.
I would like to pre-purchase tickets for this event.
How do we goad Elon into joining in also?
Oh fuck yeah man. You in his weight class?
No I’m a middle weight he’s a fatass. I don’t care I’ll fight him anyway.
When we say “Ye did this”, how many people actually recorded, played, produced, published this? I know next to nothing about modern music production, so maybe now he can do all of that at home with a laptop and an internet connection, but if there are others making money out of a clearly unstable person and getting none of the hate, I’d like at least to try and avoid giving them my money
Exactly. The star system is inherently exploitative. Why do you think they pretty much all end up overdosing, unaliving themselves and / or crazy.
unaliving themselves
It’s ok. You can say it here. The algorithm isn’t going to get you.
Apparently not given the mod removed the comment.
How depressing. Hail the algorithm. It rules all.
I can see it just fine on my instance.
rare .ml win?
Cargo cult moderation
Why do you think they pretty much all end up overdosing, unaliving themselves
I think a huge part of the reason suicidal people feel so alone is because society absolutely refuses to talk about it.
If you choose to self censor to make your content more friendly to advertisers while robbing vulnerable suicidal people of the language they need to be taken seriously, of course people are going to end up “unaliving” themselves because of it.
Imagine trying to explain you’re suicidal to a friend who isn’t even capable of hearing the word “suicide”.
People pretend to care until you actually ask for help.
Talking about how we really feel pushes people away.
I’m really sorry you had that experience, but from my own I don’t find that’s always true. I don’t struggle with suicide per se but I do get intrusive thoughts telling me too and these really scared me when they first started happening because I didn’t understand the weren’t from me.
I’ve talked about this with at least 4 or 5 of my close friends and they all understood and many even related and have their own struggles.
I’ve had friends who self harmed, friends who have threatened to harm themselves, everytime we had a heart to heart about something like that it’s only brought us closer.
I think for me at the point the pessimism and bitterness has taken over and I see the worst in everything seemingly all the time. I usually don’t talk about what I’m thinking because it’ll come off as complaining and negativity when in reality I’m just so tired of everything being so fucked up.
Instead of burdening others, I don’t say anything. I feel like I’m silently drifting towards suicide. Even if I say the most offending problems out loud nothing will change because all the problems stem from human nature itself.
There was a streamer I used to watch that ended up killing himself. Before he did it he was talking about whether life is a simulation and that killing himself might get him to the next “level”… And that’s honestly stuck with me. He was successful, popular, loved etc… and yet that wasn’t enough. There’s no way this can be all there is to life.
I understand what you mean. That’s sort of what I was expressing my frustration about earlier is that I think society makes it that way. You aren’t being negative or complaining, these things are completely normal but we don’t treat them as normal. We don’t really have examples of how to initiate these conversations in healthy ways. Even the word suicide itself feels so heavy.
The heavier society makes that feel, the more you think you’re putting a burden on someone that you aren’t.
Did you know suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the US?
Usually the only time suicide is brought up its for drama on some show.
Instead of burdening others, I don’t say anything. I feel like I’m silently drifting towards suicide. Even if I say the most offending problems out loud nothing will change because all the problems stem from human nature itself.
Do you mind if I ask what it is you’re expecting to change?
Talking to someone isn’t necessarily about solving all your root problems but to just help yourself get out of your own head about it.
It’s like an alcoholic going to their first AA meeting or someone with PTSD going to their first therapist session. That one conversation isn’t going to change everything, but it might give you support and help you realize that other people are struggling with the same things and even some people have found successful ways of digging out.
There was a streamer I used to watch that ended up killing himself. Before he did it he was talking about whether life is a simulation and that killing himself might get him to the next “level”
What about that connects with you?
You’ve mentioned before you push these feelings down and wear a sort of mask in front of others instead of burdening them. Is it possible that by choosing to cut yourself off from others, you’re preventing yourself from having real connections and so they end up feeling artificial and simulated?
I appreciate you. You seem like a good person.
I’ll break it down for you:
He can’t have his kids because he doesn’t take his medicine, so he tries to get his kids back by becoming a Nazi. Background singers say N***** Heil Hitler for the chorus and then Hitler is saying shit in German at the end. It’s pretty bad, has no logic, but does have rhyming words.
If you want to watch it to see how truly shitty it is, here is a nitter link from probably a sketch person. It’s not giving traffic to them because it’s nitter, not X: https://nitter.net/jakeshieldsajj/status/1920322039056838970#m
Kim had to put her foot down, and started fighting him on custody back in like March, when she found out from North that Ye was bringing the Tate brothers over to hang out with her. I think it was the first time I’ve ever sided with a Kardashian on anything!
You’re right and I think I know way to much about that family right now. Putting his 11 year old daughter in a video with Diddy too. Source is questionable, but it’s quoting other sources.
Kanye and Kim are locked “in a war” after their eldest daughter, North West, featured on a controversial new song with embattled music mogul P Diddy.
Taking to X, formerly known as Twitter, Kanye wrote over a series of posts, ranting: "Yes I have beef with people that froze my account, took my kids away and have tried to put me in jail and IT’S STUCK …
X has become such a shithole that they guy under it asks why someone would ever post a song from a black artist. And of course he doesn’t say “black”.
I’m wondering how long it took to round up enough backup people to chant heil hitler
If you want to watch it
Pass, thanks.
It’s not even a good song.
80% of it is him and a crowd of black guys (who may or may not have been AI generated or paid a tonne to get in on the white supremacist grift) chanting “N***a heil Hitler!” The other 20% comes across as some kind of incel or MRA manifesto, where he’s whinging about being cancelled and denied access to his kids.
Kanye has well and truly lost the plot. He needs to be detained in a psych ward…
