• nomorevroomer@lemmy.cafe
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    3 months ago

    It’s not a fucking competition. They’re both bad, they shouldn’t be illegal, they should be regulated and comsption should trigger medical supervision. Which implies removing the stigma.

    And at the very least Americans should stop destroying south America with their drug traffic. Grow your own coke.

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    The title leaves out another gem in the second part of the sentence: “…and it’s only illegal because it comes from Latin America”.

    Now it has it all, the science-defying stupidity, the nationalist undertones and the “other countries are not treating us fairly” hint.

    The tragedy of our times is that there really is one in every village and now they discovered that if they band together they can elect one as President.

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      Colombia is forced to fight this war against cocaine farmers and traffickers, the government against its own people. If Colombia doesn’t continue this war the US will force all of its trading partners into a trade embargo and Colombia will be shut off from the rest of the world. The Colombian president is trying to ease the pressure and bring light to the situation. His statement about the illegality because it comes from South America is valid, although possibly not 100% verifiable. We have an opiate crisis going on in the US, driven by big pharma, people are pushed to get prescriptions they don’t need. It’s still legal, nobody went to jail for selling oxycontin and all that other shit. The war on drugs was always a war on counter culture and minorities.

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        3 months ago

        Well that fentanyl came from China as an attempt to flood us with drugs and destroy us from the inside. So, big pharma only gets part of the blame for opioid problems on the street.

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          Who did get the people addicted?

          Also US intelligence and military are notoriously involved in drug trafficking around the world. Just that Fentanyl can be made completely synthetically without needing a plant based precursor and also as it is used in medicine regularly, it is quite easy to source the resources or just divert from a medical plant.

          Some Chinese, even if organized by the government, joining the party is hardly the main issue.

    • nomorevroomer@lemmy.cafe
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      3 months ago

      The americans buying drugs destroyed south America. The prohibition itself was a way to target Hispanic Americans. Quit being a biggot

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    Hard disagree. Coke is certainly worse, although… nowhere nearly as destructive as meth or heroin/opioids.

    With alcohol and tobacco being legal (and hardly regulated), it tough to draw any lines without seeming both hypocritical and illogical. And with cannabis gaining legality in more and more places, everyone is finally getting the concept that the War on Drugs was lost the day it started.

    I’ve known people with extreme serious and terrible cohabits, but they were never any worse off and other people I knew who were professional drunks. And I would include myself in the number of people I know who continue to smoke for decades after knowing exactly how stupid the thing that is.

    Ignorance of drugs is what is a problem in our society reacts to their youth. All of the propaganda for nearly a century has blasted everyone with the idea that any kind of drug use is necessarily evil and a gamble with death, even though that is very much not true.

    If tobacco and alcohol remain legal, and especially with the growing trend of cannabis legalization, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to legalize possession of small amount of cocaine.

    Again, I discussed how I think drugs like methamphetamine and heroin under the opioids should not be legalized, but prohibiting cocaine use, for example, has never decreased its usage. It’s just a tool for cops to Rob citizens, and then claim the spoils for themselves.

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      Cannabis doesn’t fit here, since it’s not s hard drug and has also beneficial effects when taken correctly.

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        Cocaine also has legitimate medical uses.

        But medical use based on proper research, a medical examination and review / temporary in general is completely different from recreational use.

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      I’d argue cocaine is the worst drug of them all because it impacts decision making.

      thus its being far more destructive …to others and way more subtle

      (come on let me blame the drug, i hope there aren’t this many terrible people)

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    I dunno if legally selling blow to the public is the right idea, but I also know a possession ticket/jail stint hasn’t deterred many coke heads either.

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    Ehhhhhhhhhh, coke is a weird one.

    I’m generally coherent on a lot of drugs and I retain my awareness. Coke? Nope! I’ll eventually black out and lose any sense of myself on it.

    It’s fun, but damn if you won’t wake up somewhere and have no idea wtf is going on.

    On alcohol, if I get too drunk, I’ll just fall asleep.

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    Pretty sure whiskey is pretty bad too. I’m not for prohibition, or drugs being illegal. But I’m not in favor of people using cocaine or drinking alcohol.

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        In the 19th century they have coked up wine. No joke. Even the Pope endorsed it.

        And I am not going to mention Coca-Cola. Despite the stories, the time it DID have minute amounts of cocaine in it was very brief since they did get complaints to knock it off.

        They still used spent coca leaves that had so little cocaine left that it was imperceptible, and it was only until 1929 before they finally stopped that.

        So if you wanted to get coked up with coca cola you would need to go back to 1885 and within days of the first coca cola being served.

        But if you went that far back just do ALL the drugs. There was no such thing as an illegal drug back then.

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    I’ll stick to caffeine, thanks. An exacerbation of the problems I already have is absolutely not what I want.

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      Yep, and alcohol OD (poisoning) happens all the time and isn’t that hard to do either.

      Edit: It sounds like I am all for cocaine, I never liked it, or any upper for that matter. It’s easier to die from cocaine for sure.

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        You mean a 5th bottle of vodka, right? A 5th of a bottle of vodka is not much. That’s 40% so 1/5 * 0.4 = 8%. That’s like drinking a full bottle of wine, two bottles of cider or 4 pints of beer. You might get drunk but no fucking way you OD.

        Most youngs need that amount to barely start getting tipsy…

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          a 5th of a bottle

          No, a fifth is a bottle size in the US, it’d be a 750ml bottle outside of the US.

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        Drug dealers would have a much harder job. They’ll have to do taxes and a lot of profits will be gone. Cartels for example make most of the money because it is illegal. Just think about how many alcohol dealers there are, none, because it’s legal and is just sold in stores.

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    would be “sold like wine”

    They literally used to put cocaine in wine and called it Coca Wine. Coca-Cola removed the wine during the temperance movement and replaced it with caffeine. They removed the cocaine after the drink got popular with African-Americans and didn’t want to be associated with “coked out <censored>”

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      If you don’t combine this with massive efforts to set up mandatory education on addiction and health, and create the same resources that other countries have who have decriminalized drugs, such as rehab centers and single-payer healthcare so people can get treatment immediately and without question, we’re just going to see them used as another addictive tool to acquire and consolidate capital, and with lethal impact.

      In the US particularly, people are too dumb, numb and tuned-out to handle pretty much anything responsibly. We already have tens to hundreds of thousands of overdose deaths a year, (not counting alcohol) so I could easily see that spiraling out of control if people had access to even more ways to harm themselves while feeling pleasure.

      The entire criminal justice system needs a revolutionary overhaul, drugs are just one part of it. If we remove one thing without checking all the other things, we tend to just make pocket-vacuums that other horrible things fill.

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      Then cops would loose those funds for the war on drug, cartels would be ruined and prisons empty! Is that the world you want to live in?!