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I haven’t seen a future for this country for a while now
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2020 was the socially constructed preparation for this.
Sadly we have to watch this dumpster fire go on while either planning to pick up the pieces once it’s over or you make a run for the border in hopes of saving yourself
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I don’t live in a blue state sadly, I can’t trust myself with a weapon because I know what would happen if I had one. So for me, I have to consider leaving everything behind just to be safe
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I’m torn between wanting to stay and restore our country, and making sure my kids aren’t growing up in a place with a hamstrung education system, poor medical care, and a society increasingly steeped in hatred.
We’re trying to make sure we can keep our options open for them.
So that’s how he’s going to make Mexico pay for a border wall!
To be fair, organizing is tough and the United States is fucking big.
That said yeah more people should be mad.
It’s baseball season boiiii. Also American idol 34 is starting too. And Kendrick Lamar dropped a new banger! The new iPhone came out not long ago too. Mcdonalds mcrib is back!!! I just rewatched Modern Family for the second time even though it’s 100% unrelatable to any honest living person that didn’t fuck lives over to become upper middle class!
I think the “smartest” thing the administration is doing is not giving us local targets in our cities. Much as I hate the local police, they aren’t complicit by default until it happens here. Once there are clearer local targets, you’ll see far more action.
is this an option against the militarised police?
No. It is not weapons that will be effective, but tactics. I think the closest analogue would be the IRA, or any insurgency against the US in the middle east for more recent examples.
I hear this all over Lemmy. So which improvised weapons have you crafted to oppose this regime? It’s like you expect the rest of us to do it. Give your nutsack a tug and lead on.
So which improvised weapons have you crafted to oppose this regime?
I’d say but I don’t want a visit from the alphabet boys
Sane take. Keep your head low and wait.
So what are you doing as an American?
You expect the rest of the world to act for you, while you sit back and disparage people talking about a solution.
I’m not asking for shit, 'cause I know none of you can do a damn thing.
Yeah because I’m not in your country, you are, and your inaction is allowing innocent people to suffer.
Look, I’m not going to take up arms against the government. Not going to happen.
You want people to invade state houses? What’s the goal here?
My Senators haven’t done shit to slow the administration down and I have a feeling they will pay for it. Bennet wants to be Governor but we can primary him. Hickenlooper is just as feckless as ever and I’ll try to primary him again too.
My Representative has been vocal about the administration and has been pointing affected constituents to various resources to help them. Not much else they can do in the House right now.
The goal is overthrowing fascism, or at the least crippling it into inaction. Taking out leadership achieves that.
Do not delude yourself that you’re going to win this at the polls, there will be no fair election to win. Trump has free rein to do as he pleases.
It seems that I must repeat this to non-Americans until the heat-death of the universe:
To attempt to overthrow a government by force that has, at its disposal, swathes of 5th generation multirole fighter aircraft, drones with Hellfire missiles, and an army of sycophants more than willing to gun down their brother and sister citizens is a fool’s errand for suicidal rubes.
Wildcat Strikes are de wei.
It seems Americas love fascism on their shores and refuse to fight it.
You are not fighting the military, you are fighting a few thousand rich old fucks with names and addresses.
Well, this would be a noble start: Guerilla Shotgun
I suppose one could start hoarding glass bottles and gasoline/styrofoam gel.
I’ve done neither of those things, but I have read Mila 18 a bunch of times, so I guess there’s that. Oh, and I do have at least one board with a nail sticking out of it somewhere behind the shed.
Why improvise? I can walk into a store and leave with a rifle and armor piercing rounds
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The thing with the flour soaked in diesel really wouldn’t work.
If you want to do anything with flour you have to disperse it in the air and then ignite it, so that you can take advantage of the huge surface area of the particles mixed into the ready supply of oxygen in the air. If you want to see how this sort of thing goes down, look up grain silo explosions which is precisely this but happening by accident. Getting the stuff wet will turn it into a gloopy pasty mess which is totally counterproductive for this sort of thing.
Related rando fun fact: The deep orange and red, smoky, mushroomy fireballs you see erupting out of the ground in movies/TV/Top Gear/etc. are dispersed powder explosions typically made with a lift charge and a small amount of powdered non-dairy coffee creamer.
~people aren’t doing anything~
literally millions of Americans organizing nationwide protests and resistance events, uniting with friends and co-workers to strategize, with larger and larger turnouts with each passing week…
🤔🤔🤔
Oooh are they holding signs?
First you organize millions across the country in protests. This is no small feat. Once you see you have the numbers, you organize a strike.
People would know this if they attended. It’s discussed often.
You’re in the middle of a fascist take over of your democracy, the time for strikes and protests was years ago. This is the time for fighting back now, with weapons and taking lives.
Be the example then.
To attempt to overthrow a government by force that has, at its disposal, 5th generation multirole fighter aircraft, drones with Hellfire missiles, and an army of sycophants more than willing to gun down their brother and sister citizens is a fool’s errand for suicidal rubes.
Wildcat Strikes are de wei.
The military is not protecting them in their homes, on the way to their car, at a public event.
Lone wolf attacks on key Republican figures are the way.
Which is not nothing but there’s a point there.
When people rise up without a clear plan or shared vision, they often end up reinforcing the very system they’re trying to challenge. That’s because the people in power already control the tools that shape our thinking—like the media, schools, and pop culture.
If we want real change, we need more than just passion. We need a shared understanding of what kind of world we’re trying to build. Otherwise, we risk repeating the same mistakes and rebuilding the same broken system in a different costume.
Capitalist ideas have had centuries to take root and evolve. They’ve got a head start and powerful platforms to keep spreading—TV, textbooks, social media, movies, everything. To challenge that, we need a complete shift in how we think about power, community, and freedom.
So here’s the big question: Is this shift happening? Can we see it in the protests, mutual aid networks, labor strikes, and grassroots organizing across the country?
If we believe it’s possible, then now’s the time to act—together, intentionally, and with clarity. Let’s build a new vision of society—one not handed down by the powerful, but created by us. Start by asking: What do you really want the future to look like? And who’s with you in building it?
An entirely spontaneous movement will end up reproducing the dominant ideology in a given society, because the dominant class has the means at its disposal to propagate and reproduce the dominant ideology.
So a revolutionary movement must know in advance what its revolutionary theory is; it must be united around a particular vision of society, a particular theory of revolutionary change, or it will simply reproduce the society that it is acting against.
Ideas that support capitalism have been around much longer than alternative ones, are more refined, and have way more tools to spread themselves—like the media, schools, and culture. A drastic change in structural thought is necessary.
Where is the evidence that this change in structural thought is actually occurring in the United States? How is this present in the dissent that has manifested thus far?
Trump should be first in prison shouldnt he…
Where and when do we meet to stop this bullshit?
Everywhere, continuously. https://www.fiftyfifty.one/ is a good start. Find your local org, meet the people, make connections.
SRA might be an option if you think future direct action might be necessary.
I was looking at states guard and wondering if blue states should be bolstering up their organized armed militias. State guard, as opposed to national guard, cannot be called upon by the federal government and are solely under the direction of the state governors.
One big downside, is many of the state guardsman are members of the national guard as well, as being in the state guard does not preclude you from the national military. There seems to be a lot of training from the national guard to the state guard.
January 6th?
Join your local indivisible group.
On voting day months ago.
on April 19th there will be protests nationwide in every city.
I plan to be at the one where I live, with as many people as I can get to come with me. attending is the bare minimum i can do, but until we collectively get up enough courage for large scale civil disobedience, simple protests are a starting point to get you connected with local allies and movements.
This is getting out of hand
We knew they wanted to go in a fascist direction, but I doubt many of us imagined they’d have the concentration camps up and running within three months. Bukele says he won’t return anyone, even if innocent, from this prison in El Salvador, and the director of the prison says that no one who goes in will ever return to their community. So how do you keep shipping prisoners into a camp without any of them coming out, and without the camp filling up? Maybe we’re further along with the Nazi program than most people realize.
I will say, even despite me being the one constantly yelling about the incoming american fascism, I also though it’d take at least a little longer
But here we are, with most institutions and companies just rolling over. Sure, I figured it would happen, but I at least thought it’d take more than a year. Not… 3 months
It’s… I lack words, even. This is straight up nazi Germany, except we have the hindsight of history, and yet it’s still all for naught. Incredibly incredibly scary
Have you ever watched the movie Conspiracy depicting the Wannsee Conference? Things happen pretty quickly when bureaucrats are aligned and motivated. Suddenly they find a way to become organized beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.
wtf has everyone been doing the last decade to not see this coming
Dividing themselves on social media, arguing in echo chambers about identity politics, watching ever more violent professionally-filmed acclaimed series about intrigue, betrayals, power struggle, and post-apocalyptic dystopias. They’ve been watching an ungodly number of movies about superheroes and supervillains violently duking it out while the weak, passive, and powerless population watches helplessly…and the good guys usually win, leading the normies into a false sense of security that some higher power always watches over them and comes to their rescue.
Many have been watching 24/7 Faux Noose and OAN and allowed the televised onslaught of rhetoric to brainwash them into becoming party line repeating stations. The so-called second amendment advocates mostly seem to be in this camp (ironically, the camp that also seems to value the rise of tyranny, despite their claims of the 2A being an insurance policy).
Meanwhile, their opposition has been watching, waiting, and hoping the rule of law will hold the guilty accountable and restore that which is good for society, as they see it (i.e. rule of law being the omnipotent superhero). They feel dispassionate about most of ‘their’ political candidates, which aren’t all that rousing (minus a handful of the more passionate and competent with social media ones, which aren’t favorites of the DNC). There are many, many interest groups trapped in a competitive race to the bottom hoping to appear the most vulnerable, in-need, and important so as to receive the most attention and subsidies/grants/benefits.
Meanwhile, follow the money- corporate America wants fewer regulations and the ability to exploit labor as much as it can to maximize majority shareholder wealth.
And then there’s the foreign influence from powerful countries who would love to watch America collapse…
I don’t agree with your view of superheros. I think they work as a metaphor of any person brave enough to stand up to evil. People never imagine they are the powerless population. The films focus on the heros and people personify with them - it’s inspirational. There has also been a big stress on heros needing to team up lately. The movies did nothing wrong. I agree with everything else though.
Super heroes are an individualist power fantasy. In the real world , real power comes from groups and collective action. Super hero stories imagine a world where the power to do good resides in the individual.
I believe it’s a reaction to our powerlessness in the face of things like this.
But even to take action in a group, you have to make the individual decision to join. You have to chose for yourself, which takes individual bravery, because even if you’re part of a group, the responsibility and potential repercussions will be yours to deal with. A group always consists of individual people. I read superhero stories as stories about finding the bravery in yourself (the superpower) to go and join the good cause despite the terrible danger.
I agree with what you’re saying, philosophically. A group is just a framework we put around individuals. That’s how it works in the real world.
But the idea of being able to have an impact on my own has a special appeal for me personally. It’s not a practical thing, which is why it’s escapism.
I think superhero movies, as well all the many movies where a team of misfits overcome their difficulties to save the day when the USA faces disaster, are just American self-mythologizing. Americans like stories that show how deep down they are strong and sensible and when the chips are down they come together as a team to take care of the world, but in reality they’re not that at all. The problem is they believe their own myths.
My question was rhetorical but yeah, magats are fucking losers and the dnc is fucking impotent
Telling people not to let the Republicans get the trifecta?
That’s really all that needed to happen.
eating mcdonalds and watching tv
No. No I’m not allowing “I doubt many people knew this would happen” no. Plenty of us did nothing but scream for decades. You shooed us away. You sided with them because we were inconvenient to you.
excuse me for trying to save our democracy from tankies that were trying to delegitimize it
Another idiot who voted for a genocider lmao
What democracy? Shove it into your butthole
Everything that was supposed to come true under communism has come true under capitalism.
Some of are still screaming and being unheard.
Plenty of us did nothing
You’re saying “you” to the people that were shouting it. You’re shouting into an echo chamber. Maybe go say it to them
No, not quite “won’t return anyone even if they’re innocent”. It’s more old-school witch hunt circular logic than that. It’s “if they’re in the prison, it’s because they’re a terrorist, and I will never let a terrorist free”.
We’re on pace with Nazi Germany. If you use that as a template you’ll expect:
- Concentration camps in about 60 days (milestone reached)
- October we’re due to leave the UN/NATO
- Draft coming in 2027 if Trump remains in power
- In 2030 we’ll annex Greenland
- By September 2031 we will start WW3
Now a lot can change between now and then and Trump isn’t a young guy, but that’s the blueprint to watch.
You want to talk about concentration camps? We’re already expanding our own Black Site.
America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. The average maximum security prison holds 800-1200 prisoners. The largest, Angola, LA, holds over 8000.
Our most famous black site, Guantanamo Bay, located in CUBA (WTF?), currently holds about 120, but that’s about to change. HitlerPig has already signed an executive order to build a 30,000 bed detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, and a $249 billion contract has been awarded. This will be in a remote corner of an island controlled by a hostile enemy, far out of the prying view of the courts, or the media. Anything could happen there, and nobody at home would ever known about it.
So they are now building a facility there, that will hold 30,000 prisoners. That’s nearly 4 times our largest prison, which is already about 8 times larger than average. Clearly, they are intending to incarcerate far many people that they already do. I wonder who those people will be?
Perhaps the most worrisome piece of news is this: It is expected to be finished in 2030. Why would HitlerPig commit to such a facility if he wasnt going to be able to use it? Perhaps he expects to still be in power in 2030.
It’s not like Democrats couldn’t find a use for a 30,000 bed detention facility. Anyway, of course Trump is going for a third term.
What a timeline to be in that our best hope is that it’s just another way to funnel money to his cronies
Uh, weren’t y’all supposed to pull OUT of Gitmo?
Did you account for how much faster everything is happening? He’s only been in office for nearly three months.
He was on pace for concentration camps, within a few days. He’s moving fast but it takes time to drag a nation to war. We have time to oppose him. We have time for him to choke on a hamberder. With each passing day things get worse, but at what point will we collectively go further than protest? Things have to get really bad before that reaches critical mass.
What a fucking mess we’ve created. You know who I always wonder about? Whatever happened to the Germans who voted for Hitler? At what point did they regret it? When he turned into a madman? Or not until the Soviet and western tanks rolled into town?
Because until Trump voters start realizing what they’ve unleashed and start trying to take it back, nothing will stop him. So what’s the German blueprint for that? I don’t know.
You know who I always wonder about? Whatever happened to the Germans who voted for Hitler? At what point did they regret it? When he turned into a madman? Or not until the Soviet and western tanks rolled into town?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Thought_They_Were_Free
The author determined that his interviewees had fond memories of the Nazi period and did not see Adolf Hitler as evil, and they perceived themselves as having a high degree of personal freedom during Nazi rule, with the exception of the teacher. Additionally, barring said teacher, the subjects still disliked Jewish people.
That’s unbelievably disappointing.
Nazis always gonna nazi. It should be regarded as a mental illness.
People who are ill deserve compassion. Nazis deserve a mass grave.
Robert Evans had an episode of Behind the Bastards about the little Nazis. The middle class shopkeepers and middle managers that weren’t top level but were in the party.
Most of them never admitted it was a mistake to support Hitler.
To know all of that and to think, “that’s fine.”
It’s a kind of mundane evil I can’t comprehend.
The idea that this country will burn to ash and so many people will tell themselves at least a black woman wasn’t President. At least those filthy immigrants were sent to Salvadoran death camps. Too bad about my children, my business, my home, but we did the right thing. How can you look at all that and not at least think, maybe it wasn’t worth it? Maybe we’d all have been better off another way?
Fuck.
We’re much further ahead than them. Unlike Nazi Germany we’re already the world’s undisputed hegemon and all of the world’s most advanced economies are aligned w us.
Even though some are starting to learn to regret it; they’re still more skeptical of China or Russia than they are of us and our military presence within their borders and their dependence on our financial system ensures that they won’t stray unless the bombs literally start flying and, by then, it’ll be too late.
Yeah obviously there are differences between 1933 Germany and 2025 USA, but it still takes time to do everything. Our hegemony is deteriorating, and the way I see it that’s more important for global reaction speed than internal change speed.
No one currently gives enough of a shit about owning Greenland to want to invade it. The draft is key and I don’t think you’ll see that until after the mid-terms due to the backlash. That would put us right on the above pace.
But this is all really speculative and I don’t have any particular insight or educational focus on Nazi Germany. I just grew up in the wake of it, my grandfather having fought in the pacific theater.
There are certainly better prognosticators than me to listen to, but at the end of the day it’s all guesswork.
our system has created enough mass desperation for force people to chose military service rather than living a future of destitution and that guarantees that we will never have another draft.
There is currently a recruiting crisis in 3/4 of the branches. A draft will be absolutely necessary to go to war.
oic, you’re thinking that ww3 will need to happen for the united states to take over, but the united states is already in charge and the only ww3 we might have is w china.
at what point is this not just a reactionary coup - the president’s complete disregard of the Supreme Court’s ruling and the Constitution means the United States of America is over, no? I mean, whatever this government is, it’s no longer operating by the fundamental rules and laws that established this country, that define this government - this is a new, autocratic government operating by different rules.
Thank fuck i dont live in that shit hole
Imagine, I used to regularly be thankful I wasn’t a USA citizen before 2016. Now it comes to mind multiple times a day.
Please send help
We need to help ourselves.
my reddit account of 11 years got permabanned last week for saying something similar
Badge of honor
Yeah, that makes me happy too.
Honestly I’ve never felt as grateful to be in Canada than I do now. But we are potentially in for some serious trouble soon too. Election in like 2 weeks and it’s stressful af
With none of that pesky due process to determine who these “criminals” are I suppose.
Yes. That’s literally the only reason why you would do it.
This is already what has been happening. No “suppose” about it.
No need to worry about that. Daddy Trump will just tell us who the criminals are!
homegrown immigrants…?
Homegrown criminals. He wants to deport US citizens (explicitely rather than “accidentally”)
Edit: And don’t fool yourself, this will happen without due process.
“Criminal” just means the Trump administration accuses you of being a criminal, rather than it actually needing to be proven in court that you broke the law.
All part of the Orange Turds plan for America. MAGAts have turned America into a horror movie.
Magats deserve to be treated like the subhuman trash they are
Yep, Project 2025 wasn’t exaggerated at all. We all knew this would ballen.
But I’m gonna blame Biden, Harris and AIPAC for blowing up the liberal-progressive coalition and alienating working class Americans with high inflation.
How do you lose 6 million voters from 2020 to 2024. That’s just insane.
Half of them went to Trump, the other half stayed home.
Madness
They removed mail in voting, removed many people from voting registries
And fElon was so great with the machines in Pennsylvania…
The economy was fucking great and inflation going up happens under capitalism. Like I don’t really know what the fuck you want?
Yeah…I hate how much I hate magasites AND the DNC. I mean, I definitely hate one more than the other, but geez, I just really would love to love at least a majority of the candidates churned out by at least one of the parties.
England 2.0
Americans, either fix your shit, or start thinking about how to get out, before the big beautiful wall keeps you in.
They’re working on it. Other side has a tremendous surveillance apparatus, as well as corporate media. They are treading carefully.
Yep. It’s the Stasi’s wet dream.
Don’t get out. Rise up. Take it back!
The existential threat is real, but also entirely unnecessary and avoidable.
nah, man. i say get out. if you’re not fully on board with what they’re doing, be proactive and at least decide where and how you’re going to live your life in exile.
Let the world fight your battles.
If every US citizen against Trump left the US and only the MAGAts were there, they’ll starve in weeks. Imagine all the blue states, the ones that “pay the bill”, losing more than half their population. And the rest of the world not wanting to do business with what remained in the US.
We fucked it up so bad we deserve the right to run away.
I’d love to leave but I’m poor
This will also trigger a break down in law … it’s basically capital punishment … break the law and you’re out.
So to many people who see the writing on the wall … if you’re going to be punished severely, why not do as much as possible while you can before you’re ejected … or ride the lawbreaking for as long as you can until you get caught because you’re screwed anyway
America is going down in flames
Does anyone else feel so un-motivated at work ever since Trump became president? I can’t sleep sometimes with the anxiety. I don’t even want to try to be anything in this American society anymore if it means a criminal can be President. What’s the point? Bad always wins. Good always suffers.
My depression has depression at this point.
2020 i woke up every morning expecting to see a mushroom cloud over the nearest city. Every. Single. Morning.
Fuck man, how did we get here?
I know how we go here but this timeline seems so quick.
Conservative wanted revenge or whatever it is.
