• NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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      It is said that it has to be both {cruel && unusual} simultaneously to be unconstitutional. The more they carry out these “new methods” like nitrogen gassing the more ‘usual’ it becomes.

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        well no, nitrogen gassings aren’t “cruel”, they’re novel.

        What they mean when they say cruel and unusual is some shit like strapping a guy into a 2007 camry, sending it down a mountain into a fucking lake, until he drowns.

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            no, it’s just an example of something that would be considered both cruel, and unusual punishment, to provide a sufficient example.

            You can’t just look at something like nitrogen gassing and go “its cruel because it’s killing someone, and also unusual because it isn’t utilized often” It has to be literally cruel, as in, you shouldn’t do it period (general US laws would forbid it kind of a thing) and unusual in the sense that you would literally never do it.

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    I’ve had several surgeries in my life that required a general anesthetic. There is no excuse or justification, other than sadism, for suffering here. Shouldn’t have the death penalty in the first place.

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    Three bullets shot by a three man squad. State can’t even afford more men and a conscience round.

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    I fould prefer this over drowning in lung fluid, or being slowly electrocuted also.

    Heck, execution is preferable to how the average person lives their lives.

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      I remember seeing some war footage or something of a guy being executed from a meter away by a truck mounted .50 caliper gun. His head just disappeared. After my initial, holy shit! why did I just watch that, I thought, I can’t think of a better way to go. Minus the buildup.

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        personally I don’t believe in an afterlife. I do believe that once your organs cease to function your brains gets a cocktail boost that sets you into a fast dreamlike state. think of it like a naturally induced coma that you might never wake up from.

        in this state is when you have your “afterlife”. I believe it’s an evolved trait that allows the brain to survive as long as possible after a traumatic death.

        In my perspective, shooting a person in the head is just about the worst thing you can do because it robs them of those final moments where they could possibly live out an entire lifetime.

        I would much rather die naturally, but will gladly take a slow painful death that will guarantee me my final moments instead of a “blip you’re dead forever” moment.

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          I believe that as soon as you are dead, your consciousness ends until the next time it is back. And since over an infinite amount of time, anything is inevitable. I am very afraid to die, because I’m afraid I won’t stay dead. But yeah, I don’t see why they waste chemicals, or electricity when bullets are cheap and humane.

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            You’re entitled to your own personal beliefs, but you should know that your belief is inconsistent with the current scientific understanding of biology and consciousness.

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                The human brain is a biological machine comprised of a very large number of simple components that follow the laws of physics. Some combinations of those components interacting in a certain way results in what we consider to be consciousness, but it’s still just a chemical reaction based on purely physical processes. When a brain’s components stop interacting in that way, its consciousness ceases to exist.

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    Is exsanguination painful? I understand the process by which a blood vessel itself is breached could cause localized pain of varying degrees, but assuming local anesthetic was applied at the extraction point, is the actual process of bleeding out physically painful?

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      The firing squad aims for the heart so there are definitely a couple seconds of pain but the body doesn’t last long with the heart shredded.

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      Exsanguination itself? No - it starves your brain of oxygen so you fall unconscious pretty quickly with enough flow.

      Getting enough flow to lose consciousness quicky? That’s painful.

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        Assuming local anesthetic was used to minimize the pain, a cut to the femoral artery might do it quickly. Google search says it only takes 3-5 minutes, sometimes less depending on the severity of the cut. Might be able to hasten things if you cut the femoral in each leg, too

    • GoodLuckToFriends@lemmy.today
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      Shock, or loss of perfusion to the tissues, can be painful. The most common cause of angina pectoris is brief interruption of blood flow to the heart. That’s the reason that heart attacks can be painful.

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      The fucked up thing is that both of them CHOSE this. That’s how bad lethal injection can be

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        also the companies are in europe so they started to stop giving it to the USA.

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    Barbaric idiots.

    Death penalties don’t help to fight crime, as has been proven over and over again.

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    Seems like a guillotine would be far more humane. No 80 seconds of breathing - man that must be like an eternity of pain.

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      Well, multiple scientists and doctors during the French Revolution reported that multiple victims maintained consciousness, briefly, after being beheaded, up to 30 seconds. One such incident happened in 1905, to a French criminal named Henri Languille. The French used the guillotine as the State method for executions up until 1981. The last beheading was in 1977.

      https://mikedashhistory.com/2011/01/25/some-experiments-with-severed-heads/

      In short, it’s not painless, and does not cause instant unconsciousness. If that was the goal, they’d render the “criminal” unconscious before execution.

      But then, that’s not the point, is it?

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        So guillotine, but instead of a blade, just put a 2ft cube of steel to smash the entire head

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          Compressed air spike to the base of the head. You’d be dead before the sensation of pain could be registered.

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            I mean, we put cows down with a pneumatic hammer to the skull (Except the last place where I bought 200lbs of ground beef, found a bullet in that one. Also began questioning what parts were in the meat but I had already made 100 burgers and no one had become ill by that point…)

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              This would be a little different. It’s a spike that goes through the base of the skull and then fires high-pressure air into the brain. It pretty much rips the brain to shreds instantly.

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            I don’t really think that. I hear the phrase a lot and I just don’t think that’s true

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        is that sleep capsule used in assisted suicide for the terminally ill in some European countries too expensive? or is it a problem because that would be too peaceful?

        when I was in my 20s I overdosed on ambien because I wanted out, but was saved because I sleep walked and passed out outside and some people who knew me helped. It was painless and all I remeber was taking the pills and nothing after.

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          You may know the story, but Jim Jeffries (Jeff Nugent,) the Australian comedian, has (had?) a friend with Muscular Dystrophy, who died multiple times, briefly.

          When asked if there was anything beyond death, the friend said “No.”

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        I don’t believe up to 30 seconds is possible. A proper choke in judo can render a person unconscious in ~6 seconds. Looping the head off would be a complete cessation of blood flow, You probably would experience your head starting to roll into the basket, but you’d be long gone before you hit the bottom.

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    Rank Of Preferences of what I would most prefer to do after reading this, starting with most preferred!

    1. be shot by a firing squad
    2. die by lethal injection
    3. visit south carolina