Flashing a gun at those GI Joe wannabes would have triggered their tiny brains to go into shoot to kill mode, and it would have been a massacre.
These dimwits are trained for full blown military responses. That’s easy for them, they have the gear, the training, and the psychopaths to shoot on sight.
What they can’t handle is massive civil disobedience, because they can’t arrest 100k, 500k, 1 million people who are out there lawfully protesting.
But it’s nutjobs like you, or that moron who sped their car at the agents, who will fuck it up for everyone.
Don’t bring your gun. Keep it at home, and if shit gets to the point where they start killing people, then defend yourself.
I love how you mention “they” aren’t going to kill unarmed protestors, and then proceed to mention a literal event in which they did. This country is founded on the government and corporations killing unarmed protestors.
What’s the acceptable number of dead people before also showing you’re armed is acceptable? Is it 5? 10? Maybe 1000?
If you pull up with guns they may kill you, but you have a better fighting chance than not. Plus if you were already going to die, since you’re so kind to sacrifice some people, wouldn’t you rather take some of them with you?
You’re playing by a made up set of rules where you think you being more moral than them makes you superior but it makes you dead and a loser.
They brought their authoritarian government to its knees with continued non violent (in the sense of lack of firearms) resistance combined with an effective general strike.
They ultimately failed because the liberal parts of the resistance fell for the reformist bait, but it demonstrated that you don’t need violence to win if you’re able to educate the movement that reform is a trap.
As an addendum, I will say I agree with the argument put forward in your link that pacifism is a death sentence against a government willing to kill en masse regardless of what effects it would have on the world stage.
I don’t think the USA is at the point where nonviolent methods are ineffective.
I disagree. They bring guns to scare us. To let the protestors know there are consequences.
For them to deal with an armed populace let’s them know if they start shooting, they might catch a bullet. They have to face that real consequence and it scares them.
Until that point, they pretty much know they don’t face ANY repercussions for ANY action they do.
I’m not saying to start armed protests. But this isn’t “flashing A gun” it’s 50 or 100 people who could lay hundreds or thousands of rounds at or in them if they do start using their weapons. And it will scare them into second guessing whether their life is worth detaining a few potentially illegal immigrants.
And, we outnumber them. Maybe not now with the amount of guns civilians own. But if the government starts shooting to kill random people at a protest. People will arm themselves and they will train themselves. The populace is a lot larger than police forces and military.
I agree with your points.
As someone who lived in Minneapolis during the “riots”, peaceful protest was instigated by police in order to arrest and get rid of the people in the streets. Then the police went to the news and said it turned into a riot.
So many examples of police being instigators. Shooting sandbags at people in their homes, pepper spraying from their vehicles when people were walking down the street in cross walks peacefully, people beat further when on the ground bleeding. I imagine how the police would have acted if people were carrying.
Would it have been a bloodbath? Or would they have been too nervous to do anything?
You act like I’m advocating murder. I’m advocating letting the government know that we can also have weapons and fight back. That doesn’t make me a fucking nut job, it makes me someone who has read a history book.
Civil disobedience has almost never worked, compared to armed disobedience. Even if those weapons are never fired. The point isn’t to go in shooting, it’s to get the military and police to back down and give the people what they demand.
You’re advocating for us to all roll over and wait until this administration gives us what we’re politely but firmly asking for. Which will never happen. They live for a show of force.
Keep holding your beliefs, it’ll be the last thing through your smug brain before the government executes you.
Show them a gun and you better be prepared to pull that trigger the moment they see it, because you’re going to die.
In a tense situation where there’s been some minor violence, a gun will immediately escalate things to a lethal level.
Stick to what I said and don’t make up stuff in your head please. I’m not against forceful opposition - rocks fly, things catch on fire, barricades get erected.
But don’t give them an armed conflict where they will 100% win, and much more easily spin it to fit their agenda.
That’s exactly what the Hamas attacks did - those fucking morons opened the door and put down a red carpet for Israel to get away with launching a full out “justified” war.
Open carry would have stopped NOTHING.
Flashing a gun at those GI Joe wannabes would have triggered their tiny brains to go into shoot to kill mode, and it would have been a massacre.
These dimwits are trained for full blown military responses. That’s easy for them, they have the gear, the training, and the psychopaths to shoot on sight.
What they can’t handle is massive civil disobedience, because they can’t arrest 100k, 500k, 1 million people who are out there lawfully protesting.
But it’s nutjobs like you, or that moron who sped their car at the agents, who will fuck it up for everyone.
Don’t bring your gun. Keep it at home, and if shit gets to the point where they start killing people, then defend yourself.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-the-failure-of-nonviolence
Tldr
With what? Left weapon at home.
They aren’t going to kill many unarmed protesters, especially initially. There’s a reason they stopped at 4 during the Kent state fiasco.
Most of us will be fine and able to go home and plan for guerrilla tactics that have a better chance of survival later.
I love how you mention “they” aren’t going to kill unarmed protestors, and then proceed to mention a literal event in which they did. This country is founded on the government and corporations killing unarmed protestors.
He never said they aren’t going to kill anyone.
He said they aren’t going to kill many.
Which is true, up until a bunch of people pull guns, and then they’ll kill everyone.
What’s the acceptable number of dead people before also showing you’re armed is acceptable? Is it 5? 10? Maybe 1000?
If you pull up with guns they may kill you, but you have a better fighting chance than not. Plus if you were already going to die, since you’re so kind to sacrifice some people, wouldn’t you rather take some of them with you?
You’re playing by a made up set of rules where you think you being more moral than them makes you superior but it makes you dead and a loser.
This is the correct response at this point.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-the-failure-of-nonviolence
https://anarchistnews.org/content/hostages-gun-militancy-and-militarism
And look at Chile in 2019: https://itsgoingdown.org/submedia-presents-interrebellium-the-estallido-social/
They brought their authoritarian government to its knees with continued non violent (in the sense of lack of firearms) resistance combined with an effective general strike.
They ultimately failed because the liberal parts of the resistance fell for the reformist bait, but it demonstrated that you don’t need violence to win if you’re able to educate the movement that reform is a trap.
As an addendum, I will say I agree with the argument put forward in your link that pacifism is a death sentence against a government willing to kill en masse regardless of what effects it would have on the world stage.
I don’t think the USA is at the point where nonviolent methods are ineffective.
I disagree. They bring guns to scare us. To let the protestors know there are consequences.
For them to deal with an armed populace let’s them know if they start shooting, they might catch a bullet. They have to face that real consequence and it scares them.
Until that point, they pretty much know they don’t face ANY repercussions for ANY action they do.
I’m not saying to start armed protests. But this isn’t “flashing A gun” it’s 50 or 100 people who could lay hundreds or thousands of rounds at or in them if they do start using their weapons. And it will scare them into second guessing whether their life is worth detaining a few potentially illegal immigrants.
And, we outnumber them. Maybe not now with the amount of guns civilians own. But if the government starts shooting to kill random people at a protest. People will arm themselves and they will train themselves. The populace is a lot larger than police forces and military.
I agree with your points.
As someone who lived in Minneapolis during the “riots”, peaceful protest was instigated by police in order to arrest and get rid of the people in the streets. Then the police went to the news and said it turned into a riot. So many examples of police being instigators. Shooting sandbags at people in their homes, pepper spraying from their vehicles when people were walking down the street in cross walks peacefully, people beat further when on the ground bleeding. I imagine how the police would have acted if people were carrying. Would it have been a bloodbath? Or would they have been too nervous to do anything?
You act like I’m advocating murder. I’m advocating letting the government know that we can also have weapons and fight back. That doesn’t make me a fucking nut job, it makes me someone who has read a history book.
Civil disobedience has almost never worked, compared to armed disobedience. Even if those weapons are never fired. The point isn’t to go in shooting, it’s to get the military and police to back down and give the people what they demand.
You’re advocating for us to all roll over and wait until this administration gives us what we’re politely but firmly asking for. Which will never happen. They live for a show of force.
Keep holding your beliefs, it’ll be the last thing through your smug brain before the government executes you.
Show them a gun and you better be prepared to pull that trigger the moment they see it, because you’re going to die.
In a tense situation where there’s been some minor violence, a gun will immediately escalate things to a lethal level.
Stick to what I said and don’t make up stuff in your head please. I’m not against forceful opposition - rocks fly, things catch on fire, barricades get erected.
But don’t give them an armed conflict where they will 100% win, and much more easily spin it to fit their agenda.
That’s exactly what the Hamas attacks did - those fucking morons opened the door and put down a red carpet for Israel to get away with launching a full out “justified” war.