Trump is a criminal, no one should be surprised that he is ignoring the rule of law.
Contempt of court when?
Doesn’t matter, they’ll ignore that too.
They need to have the bailiff already standing behind the regime lawyers right when it’s declared.
Court: issues order
Trump Admin: flat out says they will not follow the orders
Court: I don’t think the admin is following my orders.
They obviously aren’t, and have defied every court at every turn when presented with lawful orders in this matter.
This whole case has collapsed into a handful of choices:
- Judge doesn’t declare the Trump admin in Contempt of Court (i.e. does nothing). This sets precedent that Trump’s administration enjoys full immunity from the judiciary, officially turning the US into a dictatorship. This is what has been happening for weeks and remains by far the most likely scenario.
- Judge declares Trump in Contempt of Court, but is unable to enforce it. This is equivalent to scenario 1.
- Judge declares the Trump admin in Contempt of Court and deputizes state police to enforce the ruling and arrest, if not Trump, at least some officials. This would be legal and remains the only constitutional solution, but would almost certainly trigger an armed response from the regime. Democracy doesn’t go down without a fight, but the end result is uncertain.
- Pro-democracy factions use illegal/violent means to force Trump to comply (military coup, sudden Luigi’s Mansion remake, etc.). However it would seem that the masks fell off and despite decades of propaganda to the contrary, literally not a single living American is willing to put their life on the line to protect Democracy.
The administration will just apply for an appeal to the decision - 6 months - then if it is approved it goes to a one man Supreme Court ruling (18 months), then they appeal again (12 months) and it goes to the full bench (24 months) who will declare its now outside the scope of action.
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Because they made the poor and uneducated afraid. That’s why all the guns. Fear of that which they do not understand. They were fed endless propaganda about how Trump cares for the working class. Republican Corporate media let them keep their guns as long as they had an enemy to point them at that wasn’t them. Keep them scared and afraid of their allies, their fellow working class.
- Dude’s dead and has been
1a. Judge goes on a Holiday in Cambodia, so to speak, and is replaced. See option 1.
Well now I’ve gotta listen to some Dead Kennedys so thanks
I feel like a lot of lemmy users should read those lyrics and think on them for a bit.
- Admin complies
- Abrego suddenly ends up dead during that time. Essentially means admin would be complying.
We have to send monitors to that prison immediately until he’s safely back home
There’s a serious chance they’ll have the guy killed to get the judge off their back without having to be seen backing down, and to show judges what happens when they try to challenge the regime on a deportation case.
Which would definitely be contempt of court when the whole thing leaks because they added another goddamned reporter to the signal conversation about it
And then we get to watch Fox News talk about how brilliant and righteous the regime is
The Orange Turd is a criminal. I would expect nothing less from him.
Give them two weeks to do something. We’ll see, then what if they don’t provide? Another 2 weeks? They will just say he is dead or died in transit and it’s out of their hands. Then what happens? Let me guess.
Fucking nothing.
I’ve got an idea! Let’s sit around jerking each other off for two weeks while we build a case that Trump will just ignore anyways! Who’s with me (besides the Court)???
No kidding your honor. The question is what exactly are you or any other judge going to do about it?
I don’t mean that in a Trump is right kind of way. I mean it in a this is something the judiciary needs to be seriously looking into sooner rather than later.
Wake up. Your courts haven’t been able to help you long before the cheeto was in power and was flaunting his many felonies. The courts literally gave him unlimited power already. There have been zero repercussions for him his entire life while you all cheered him on and brought him to power not once but twice.
all
In 2022 there were 161.42 million eligible voters in the US (latest number I could find)
Trump got 77,284,118 votes
There is 340.1 million people in the US.
I’d say that far from all.
But otherwise yeah I already know the Supreme Court pretty much gave him unlimited power.
Yes all. No one stood up or this guy would not be in office. Like you said above only 77,000,000 voted for him. And the other 263 million allowed those few fascist lovers even have a say.
He was honest and open (oddly enough) about his plans for dictatorship years in advance. Your complete society allowed this to happen. No one could have stopped it but the citizens of your country. No one can still stop it but you. Yet in years of knowing no one has organized any resistance at all. Again allowing it to happen.
He put his Nazi goons in your capitol buildings and still no one did anything. He was convicted of dozens of crimes. He’s flaunted the law his entire life. He’s been a grifter and a cheat his entire life but you all have him one of the most popular tv shows of its time and thus a very loud voice within your celebrity culture that dominates your news cycles. You propped up his celebrity status and cheered him on for being a dickhead to people. You’ve watched him openly destroy his own businesses and bank accounts on whims multiple times yet remain extremely wealthy. No one did anything the entire time.
Yes I blame American society as a whole, and that includes you, for encouraging and allowing this to happen from the very beginning.
We “allowed” them. Which ignores the fact that people have a RIGHT to vote for who they WANT.but yeah that’s not important to you.
Have fun in your delusions. Bye
Enjoy your death camps. He tried to forcefully overthrow your government but you ALLOWED him on the ballot again. Yes allowed. You. Your family. Your neighbors. Your friends. You.
One guy seemingly tried. Took a few shakey shots. He tried. Not sure what hellhole they dropped him in, probably dead . That guy I’ll give credit to, even though he missed. He tried.
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That’s your American exceptionalism showing through. Expecting everyone else to manage your bullshit.
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This guy’s already dead.
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That’s the thing though, the judiciary has never had real power. The best they can do is issue decisions which are promptly ignored.
At this point a SCOTUS ruling seems to have as much power as a UN Resolution
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They have the Marshals, and the judge could indeed order a government official arrested.
In sane times, yes. But US Marshals are a part of the Dept of Justice, which answers to the Executive. So I’ll let you guess how that would play out if they were ordered to arrest Trump or anyone else in his circle.
The court needs to do this and see what happens. A civil war may be the only way out of this.
OK, now what?
