A real simple fix would be ranked choice voting.
fix
Which is why it won’t happen.
I live in uber-blue Oregon and the Dem politicians here rallied against it and got it defeated on the 2024 ballot.
What’s bullshit? 4 out of 18 Democratic state senators claimed to support it and 14 out of 36 Democratic state reps claimed to support it.
Only 3 Republican state legislators opposed it so Republicans must have been in favor of it too, right?
Same here in Massachusetts back in 2020.
It’s not necessarily a GOP vs Dem issue, it’s dominant parties worried that giving voters more choice will weaken their control.
We have it for Portland though! And it’s working
If it’s working, they’ll get rid of it sooner or later.
Fuck yeah it is! Hawaii has RCV for some, but not most, elections. Still a step in the right direction.
After Mamdani, they’re scared as fuck of ranked choice elections.
Even though that wouldn’t have mattered in his case. He would have won the primary without the need for ranked choice.
arguably ranked choice gave voters the confidence to pick the candidate that won an outright majority.
That’s a fair point.
They already were. The right has been sneaking bans on ranked choice voting into many red state legislations for many years now.
You may be thinking “how could they convince people to vote against ranked choice voting?!” By piggybacking on xenophobia of course!
These cats don’t actually want to fix anything.
A voting system by itself will not unseat the two party system. You been proportional representation if you want lots of parties. I suggest Sequential Proportional Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_proportional_approval_voting). Run a local referendums and work your way up.
it’s already been explicitly outlawed in several places.
“Vote blue no matter who, buy also we’ll leave the party conpletely at the slightest hint you want to reduce income inequality and fix the broken social safety net.”
Fuck that. Dem leadership has abandoned the people. The Democratic and Republicans are finished
Probably true, but it’s easier to move into an empty house than build a new one.
Not if the foundation is cracked and crumbling.
I know I started the house analogy, but in this case the foundation is people. It’s the failed leadership and weak platform that can more easily be discarded.
The foundation of both parties is cracked. I’m sorry it is what it is
Ah, the Obstructionist Party.
At this point, any bumps in the road to unfettered misogynist, bigoted, surveillance christofacist power would be helpful while the left gets a real party together.
Stop thinking that’s going to happen.
It’s never going to happen.
That’s not what GOP stands for?
It’s the O in the abbreviation sandwiched between Gaslight and Project.
Can you imagine if we end up with trumpublicans, democrats, muskrats, and some 4th part made by defecting democrats and republicans?
That might actually work out.
These are exactly the people we do not want doing this shit.
Center right and far right party join together, to create the right party
Should’ve pushed for ranked choice voting when they had the chance.
I don’t think that it’s going to work. I assume that the people who most aren’t happy are moderate Republicans who can’t stand Trump and company:
Disgruntled Republicans sick of being bullied by Donald Trump and Democrat centrists imperiled by the Left are secretly having conversations about forming a third party in American politics, The Swamp can exclusively reveal.
But they aren’t gonna be enough votes alone. The people they’d best get along with are probably moderate Democrats, but the Democrats just ran Harris, who is also pretty moderate, so I doubt that moderate Democrats are especially upset at the moment. I think that they’d have a tough time attracting a bunch of moderate Democrats.
If you had just had an election between, I don’t know, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, then maybe you could try to run off with the Democratic center.
The second problem is that the US electoral system always stabilizes around two big-tent parties. It can be disrupted temporarily, but you’re gonna eventually get two parties. If one or both of the Big Two parties splinter, they will just reform into a new two parties in a few years. So even if you get people who are unhappy with the status quo, once things stop shifting around, you’re gonna have two big-tent parties again.
It’s not clear to me that introducing a new party solves problems here. Like, you want a different coalition, you can do that within the parties. You’re gonna have to make concessions and sell people on it, but long run, you’d have to do that with a new party too.
EDIT: I guess technically they could get a few Greens, but the American Greens are more of a left-wing protest party than specifically being anti-carbon or whatever, the way the German Greens might be. That’s probably not gonna have much overlap with moderate Republicans. And there’s the Libertarian Party, which might like more relaxed borders and lower barriers to trade, but LPers probably aren’t going to generally be really enthusiastic about a muscular foreign policy, which I bet the unhappy people want.
EDIT2: My guess is a more-likely outcome, if the GOP stays Trumpy post-Trump, is that a bunch of Reagan Republican types give up on Trump, just join the Democratic Party and get some policy concessions out of the Democrats.
Harris, who is also pretty moderate
Pretty moderate by imperial standards. Absolute fascist by objective measurement.
I doubt that moderate Democrats are especially upset at the moment.
Ofc most dems are not upset. They’re completely fine with 99% of Trump’s fascism. That’s why we’re here.
The second problem is that the US electoral system always stabilizes around two big-tent parties.
AKA it’s an excellent system for violent control but a terrible joke of a “democracy”.
It’s not clear to me that introducing a new party solves problems here.
They’re not trying to solve problems that we care about. They’re trying to maintain their control. That’s the “problem” here.
My guess is a more-likely outcome, if the GOP stays Trumpy post-Trump, is that a bunch of Reagan Republican types give up on Trump, just join the Democratic Party and get some policy concessions out of the Democrats.
Except the brand name is poisoned for their base. Forming a new party fixes that. The real problem is that they won’t attract any big names from either side.
All the big name politicians on the right are the Trumpy nutjobs, and the big name politicians on the left are either too left-wing or they’re entrenched leadership.
Call it “MAGA? Nope!”
Yep. There’s only one party in USA: the fascist party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
I’m sure kamalacaust will come out of the woodwork to stop this tho… \s
Oh, great. That’s what we want. A third party that’s also right-of-center. Yay.
not left. not right. rigehft.
The USA is a one party state, except with typical American extravagance, they have
twothree of themuniparty its more or less a coalition of the oldguard and the old dnc, and maybe maga on some issues.
Wish they were in discussion to overhaul our fptp voting system. Any third party is doomed to fail, by design, until first past the post is in the rear view mirror.
Good luck to find enough politicians deciding to vote yes for a change to presidential elections electoral system
Totally agree
But mom says we already have conservative party at home
We have two conservative parties at home!
