• Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
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      Well, Americans always defend their guns because they could use them to rise up against their government. So honestly, although normally considered impressive, you Americans raised our expectations even higher.

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        Sadly, the people that oppose totalitarianism are mostly the ones that opposed owning guns and lived according to their beliefs.

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        We have guns, but the government has even more.

        There’s not so much gained from escalation. Cameras are still the best weapon, considering how many allegedly sentient organisms still have support for Trump’s actions. Media has claimed that “they’re only arresting violent illegals”, and “they’re only using soldiers to stop violent riots”. Regretfully, millions of people still believe that. The more evidence we can generate that both are untrue, the more that we can turn the tide.

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          escalation is actually an amazing deterrent. protests from the early US prove there is actually a lot to be gained. they can be incredibly effective.

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          Asmongold is the most stunning, he just gurgles up all the content, and regurgitates back to his audience with the most bland, predictable responses imaginable. He is completely fucking blind.

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        I predicted over six months ago that the US wouldn’t make it past July 4th, 2025. Only a few weeks away and reporters are being shot by police and posse comitatus has been violated. Soon the actual armed forces of your nation will be in the streets and you will have a choice to make.

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          Meh…this reminds me of the Portland riots a few years ago. Shit was crazy and really intense but the U.S. didn’t fall apart if that is what you are alluding to. We just kept on picking up our shovels and shovelling shit.

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            Portland doesn’t control anything in the US. It’s not even among the top 10 cities. LA is a totally different deal.

            Even LA won’t mean the end of the government, but a military attack on one of the biggest cities in America is a enormous warning to the resistance that the MAGA Nazis are willing to do ANYTHING.

            If any other nation launched a military attack on LA, we would absolutely consider it an act of war, and if the MAGA Nazis use the military against American citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights, ALL American citizens should also consider it an act of war against us by our own government.

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              Yup…and what will we do about it? Nothing. They could blow up California and we still wouldnt do shit. Pearl Harbor, cold war, 9/11, foreign enemy? We got you covered buddy. Put micro transactions in Battlefront 2. We got you covered buddy. Throw a Nazi salute on live TV…we miiiiight stop buying your product…seems like we are making some progress there. Reverse Roe v Wade…hmm…

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                It’s still early, HitlerPig hasn’t even been in power for 6 months, and look how much chaos he’s caused. We couldn’t have imagined this a year ago.

                It can get much worse, and it will, if for no other reason than he intends to push the American people relentlessly until they do fight back. Then he can justify hurting them.

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          No, they’ll keep escalating through next summer. By then, we’ll have had hyperinflation, food shortages, Luigi’s trial, deportations of naturalized/ birthright citizens, arrests of elected officials, etc. and things will get really ugly. That’s when the MAGA Nazis will have their Tiananmen Square moment, probably in multiple cities, and HitlerPig will declare Martial Law, and suspend the Midterm election for the first time in American history. That will protect his Congressional majorities, and keep the Democrats from gaining any investigative, subpoena, or arrest powers. Once elections are suspended, he’s president forever.

          THAT will be the end.

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    Just saw an ICE truck carrying a bunch of jackboots through Echo Park. Don’t know where they’re ultimately heading to though.

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      How do you know it’s an ICE truck? What does it look like? I’ve seen white ones in videos, but surely they don’t all look the same.

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        It was a big black unmarked truck full of black armor wearing soldier types hanging off the sides. I’m no expert on cop sightings but I’m pretty sure even they have their emblem on the sides of their heavy duty vehicles. Besides, isn’t it their MO nowadays to go everywhere wearing balaclavas without visible insignias or name tags?

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        You could tell because it had fanciful decorations of ice cream cones and candy on the sides and it had a big horn loudspeaker playing “Turkey in the Straw”. You see them all the time just driving slowly up and down the neighborhood streets.

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    What’s to stop Cali national guard from ignoring Orange man? Or maybe I have been watching/reading too much fiction.

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      They swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. They have a duty to ignore, report, or even actively resist an unconstitutional command.

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      Drawing the ire of the federal government. If their commander refuses, he’ll be removed and replaced with someone who will comply.

      That commander is appointed by the CA governor, and I don’t see Newsom fighting the feds on this (or much of anything, really, so far it’s only been joint lawsuits against economic issues). Conceivably, Trump could argue that when federalized, he could remove the commander himself and appoint an interim commander, or just leave it unfilled and have DoD control them directly.

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      The national guard is under federal control. California will have its own state guard.

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      Their feelings. Soldiers are humans, not machines. They will go with their hearts and minds to decide whom they fight for.

      Hopefully, they will decide to side with the good guys, not Agent ‘Krasnov’ Orange.

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      Threaten the 4th largest economy in the world with leverage you don’t really have. Encourage escalation tactics for illegal detainment of peoples under the jurisdiction and protection of the Constitution. Ignore the Constitution and normalize the absurd use of the term deportation. Cry about it on social media and then throw a fit and send troops to peaceful protests ( as per LAPD ).

      Frail ideology.

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    Anyone remember what this was from?

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”

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      Yeah, But it was never intended to stop things from happening from the inside. Whoever ends up on the opposite side of the military in the end is going to lose.

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        It depends on how many people end up on the opposite side. Tens, hundreds, for sure. Thousands, likely. Tens of thousands, not so certain. Hundreds of thousands, I don’t know. If the army starts shooting to kill any significant numbers of Americans, things are going to get very interesting.

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        Well then everyone the conservatives don’t like need to start arming up before they realize the gun control they always wanted exists, but only to keep “mental ill” people from buying them and the only things considered illnesses are things conservatives don’t like.

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          Breaking through the mental wall for anti-2A liberals unfortunately only happens once it’s too late to get effective training, if it happens at all…

          A gun/gear group I know of recently tried to donate money to a charity for queer folks in the the south. The charity denied the donation because “they don’t take money from anyone who uses firearms for work” (paraphrased).

          Let’s take a moment to digest that.

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            I recently got a small group of gay/trans/ally/hiking friends to a range and I think it’s going to be a more regular thing. I have a couple and another person had several, and the range does rentals. One of us (who’d never even fired a gun) has a small piece of property and they ended up trying/purchasing a little 10/22 to take out to their property to start trying to get some small game. I’m deep in the a red state though so convincing more on-the-fence/marginalized people to protect themselves isn’t hard given the right conversation.

            I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.

            The shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again, they’re controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people. One of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It’s really impossible to overstate how bad these people are and they’re winning.

            The coup was successful, they’re in power and if they don’t want to give it up they won’t.

            Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.

            https://www.dsausa.org/
            https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/
            https://socialistra.org/
            https://generalstrikeus.com/
            https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network
            https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/raids/
            https://mutualaidhub.org/

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    AMERICA! IS FUCKED! NEVER COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE FUCKING DAY YEAH!

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    Realistically, the rioters are going to eventually be condemned by the peaceful protestors, and the general population will soon follow, thus giving support for law enforcement to squash them and end the fiasco. This has been the case for a loooooong time.

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        Ah yes, I’m sure those peaceful protesters during the civil rights movement didn’t care about the cause they were protesting for.

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          The civil rights movement succeeded because the authorities were made to realize that if they didn’t play ball with MLK, folks like Malcolm X and Huey Newton were the alternative.

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            That’s just false, civil rights weren’t achieved through intimidation. The movement succeeded because it achieved it’s objective through peaceful means. The movement organized peaceful protests to raise awareness and bring attention to the issues, they organized and fought legal battles challenging the status quo, they created institutions to help campaign for their causes, and disavowed violence to win over the general public. It is the prime example in history what peaceful protesting can achieve.

            The civil rights movement is not alone, other movements like the suffragette movements in the West, the Salt Marches in India, the Singing revolution in the Baltics, and so on all achieved momentous things peacefully.

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              the suffragette movements in the West

              You mean this suffragette movement?

              When by 1903 women in Britain had not been enfranchised, Pankhurst decided that women had to “do the work ourselves”; the WSPU motto became “deeds, not words”. The suffragettes heckled politicians, tried to storm parliament, were attacked and sexually assaulted during battles with the police, chained themselves to railings, smashed windows, carried out a nationwide bombing and arson campaign…


              the Salt Marches in India,

              Why is India partitioned, then? (Hint: take a look at the Muslim League’s tactics and goals.)


              the Singing revolution in the Baltics

              Kind of a special case; the USSR collapsed all by itself and didn’t try to oppose them.

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                You mean this suffragette movement?

                Yes. It was a peaceful movement. Their goals weren’t achieved through violence.

                Why is India partitioned, then?

                The goal of the movement was to end British rule over the subcontinent, and they achieved that goal.

                Kind of a special case; the USSR collapsed all by itself and didn’t try to oppose them.

                You’re not giving these people their credit. The Soviet Union was filled with violent factions that wanted to prevent dissolution and the end of communism. These people managed to literally sing their way to independence.