AMERICA! IS FUCKED! NEVER COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE FUCKING DAY YEAH!
I don’t get it
Why do you want to prevent ICE from deporting illegal immigrants?
Why do you want illegal immigrants to stay here so bad?
because they arnt targeting “illegal immigrants” its random people, and also immigrants that are here legally, plus they are specifically only targeting non-republican areas because they know blue areas are less likely to fight back and are unarmed. oh and they wont target places like meat packing plants, FARMS, republican, gop will raise hell if they were raided in congress.
Because they’re revoking legal status from legal immigrants and arresting legal immigrants and its only a matter of time til they deport citizens too
The state defines what an “illegal immigrant” is. Why should I agree with their definition of an illegal immigrant is?
The Nazis were just rounding who illegal Jews. Why was it so bad that they rounded up illegal Jews?
The plantation owners just wanted to own Black people. Black people had no rights, so what’s the problem with owning them?
Do not conflate legality with morality.
Every study I’ve seen shows illegal immigrants to be a net positive to the economy, while at the same being responsible for fewer crimes than papered immigrants or regular citizens. I wonder why people are willing to go through such social pain and stupidity to attack them. I mean, aside from racism. We should be working on smoothing the way to citizenship, or at a minimum, legality. That would help address the exploitation that takes place (as you mentioned in another post). On a tangent, we really need to do something about universal health care, housing, and the shitty, hateful state of wages in the country while we are at it.
We have a myriad of fundamental problems in this country, illegal immigrants are just a distraction that get the low-information voters fired up and ignoring the real problems.
Because the current purge is rooted in racism, not legality. They’re deporting American citizens and people who are here legally as well without due process, blatantly violating the constitution which he swore to defend and uphold.
Trump wants to deport anyone he doesn’t like, which includes anyone that doesn’t like him. Make no mistake, he would deport half the country if he felt he could get away with it. He has no regard for the rule of law and has proven that time and again. What he is doing is tyranny and the real patriots are out there standing up against it.
Alright, I’ll bite.
Because I would much rather ICE spend its resources preventing IMs from entering the country, rather than rounding up IMs who have been living here peacefully for 20+ years.
Because—and I’m willing to debate the utility of this—a significant portion of our agricultural economy depends on IMs who will work below the standard of living legally required for our citizens.
Because the vast majority of IMs are just people seeking asylum from cartels and/or horrible dictatorial governments and are not a threat to the American way of life.
Because IMs by and large do not “steal” jobs from American workers but rather do jobs most Americans would never consider doing. See said issue with our agricultural sector.
Now, let’s hear your reasons for wanting to spend the immense amount of money necessary to find and deport these people. Because I’m sure your arguments are incredibly well thought out.
I would argue that instead of ICE, we should have a vastly expanded IRS to enforce regulations upon businesses. For example, every business is assigned state and federal accountants, who check that the books are legit. These accountants are regularly rotated by the nation, so that companies can’t establish “working” relationships with any given accountant, which reduces corruption.
This would increase the amount of money that government receives from the 1%, along with helping prevent wage theft or other criminal activities. Businesses, not migrants, are innately prone to corruption.
I would argue that instead of ICE
Why instead of ICE? These are not mutually exclusive things and they don’t even address the same problems.
The large amount of foreign nationals being exploited due to their illegal status and working in unsafe underpaid jobs is something I’m against from a pro labor position.
The employees who hire and exploit them need to be punished. Who will do this job for the tiny wages? I guess nobody, the wages must go up. More expensive avocados is what we need to settle for, instead of exploiting desperate foreign nationals. There are no easy painless solutions here.
Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.
Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.
You are.
The large amount of foreign nationals being exploited due to their illegal status and working in unsafe underpaid jobs is something I’m against from a pro labor position.
Fine, but how does rounding them up and deporting them solve this problem?
The employees who hire and exploit them need to be punished.
Again, how do ICE strategies solve this problem?
Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.
You are. The criminal element in migrant communities is tiny, and the notion that ICE is prioritizing them is bupkis. ICE is sadly comprised mainly of American racists, who use their job titles as a shield for implementing their White nationalist agendas. These aren’t people who are doing what they claim to be doing—protecting our borders against illegal invaders—they’re just trying to keep America’s birth rate mostly White, because they’re scared, xenophobic assholes.
As an American, I fully oppose these douchebags. America is not a White nation. We’re a non-racial nation, made up of everyone, home to everyone, and better for it. Our best quality is the fact that we welcome everyone, and those amongst us who oppose that are the true anti-Americans. Our history is a shit-show, true; but our ideals are worth fighting for. And the people that are anti-immigration are pro-racism, pure and simple.
the point of protesting is the escalation. this is success.
It’s really not
The authorities wouldn’t send the National Guard if they thought they could just ignore you. So i’d say this is a success.
Martial law incoming.
Could this be the start of the Second American Civil War?
Calm down Tim Poole
I predicted over six months ago that the US wouldn’t make it past July 4th, 2025. Only a few weeks away and reporters are being shot by police and posse comitatus has been violated. Soon the actual armed forces of your nation will be in the streets and you will have a choice to make.
No, they’ll keep escalating through next summer. By then, we’ll have had hyperinflation, food shortages, Luigi’s trial, deportations of naturalized/ birthright citizens, arrests of elected officials, etc. and things will get really ugly. That’s when the MAGA Nazis will have their Tiananmen Square moment, probably in multiple cities, and HitlerPig will declare Martial Law, and suspend the Midterm election for the first time in American history. That will protect his Congressional majorities, and keep the Democrats from gaining any investigative, subpoena, or arrest powers. Once elections are suspended, he’s president forever.
THAT will be the end.
Meh…this reminds me of the Portland riots a few years ago. Shit was crazy and really intense but the U.S. didn’t fall apart if that is what you are alluding to. We just kept on picking up our shovels and shovelling shit.
Portland doesn’t control anything in the US. It’s not even among the top 10 cities. LA is a totally different deal.
Even LA won’t mean the end of the government, but a military attack on one of the biggest cities in America is a enormous warning to the resistance that the MAGA Nazis are willing to do ANYTHING.
If any other nation launched a military attack on LA, we would absolutely consider it an act of war, and if the MAGA Nazis use the military against American citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights, ALL American citizens should also consider it an act of war against us by our own government.
Talk to me when the marines land in LA.
Dang, C U next Tuesday, I guess.
try buying gun and then likely second amendment
You don’t have the right, O you don’t have the right! (Actually you do)
“Insurrectionists carrying foreign flags are attacking immigration enforcement officers, while one half of America’s political leadership has decided that border enforcement is evil,” Vice President JD Vance said in a post on X Saturday night.
Big yikes. “Insurrectionists”? Bloody hell.
How is a peaceful protest in LA an “Insurrection,” while violently attacking cops and raiding the Capitol to stop the certification of the vote, is not?
you know why
Every accusation is an admission.
Conservatism was the original reactionary movement, and it essentially sought to restore the nobility within democracy, complete with the different rules applying to said ingroup. Modern conservatism only differing in the sense that its supporters really want to become part of said ingroup.
conservatism/liberterinism,dont realize the ingroups, are the oligarchs only.
I hope this don’t turn to a civil war
July 4th…
I just don’t see how a civil war could start. It’s not like back in the day where you could just amass an army without the state really knowing
The amount of intel the state has means that nothing will get off the ground
I guess if like a state and it’s national guard would revolt and other states join them? Seems very unlikely though
Since there is a lot of fictions between dems and republicans and there is many gun owners in the usa some people could decide to use arms to counter ice and republicans could side with ice and do the same
The options at this point are 1: a civil war or 2: surrendering to the fascist regime.
Well, we won’t call it that. Vietnam was techincally “a police action”, but we all know it was a war. This police action will get folks killed in an effort to take prisoners, which sure sound like a…
Also Nixon’s distraction from his own problems
I mean the Nazis aren’t going to go ohh my bad we should have another try at the election.
I hope they’re scared
Anyone remember what this was from?
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”
That works until people the conservatives don’t like start arming up. Like Black Panthers.
Well then everyone the conservatives don’t like need to start arming up before they realize the gun control they always wanted exists, but only to keep “mental ill” people from buying them and the only things considered illnesses are things conservatives don’t like.
Breaking through the mental wall for anti-2A liberals unfortunately only happens once it’s too late to get effective training, if it happens at all…
A gun/gear group I know of recently tried to donate money to a charity for queer folks in the the south. The charity denied the donation because “they don’t take money from anyone who uses firearms for work” (paraphrased).
Let’s take a moment to digest that.
I recently got a small group of gay/trans/ally/hiking friends to a range and I think it’s going to be a more regular thing. I have a couple and another person had several, and the range does rentals. One of us (who’d never even fired a gun) has a small piece of property and they ended up trying/purchasing a little 10/22 to take out to their property to start trying to get some small game. I’m deep in the a red state though so convincing more on-the-fence/marginalized people to protect themselves isn’t hard given the right conversation.
I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.
The shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again, they’re controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people. One of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It’s really impossible to overstate how bad these people are and they’re winning.
The coup was successful, they’re in power and if they don’t want to give it up they won’t.
Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.
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Yeah, But it was never intended to stop things from happening from the inside. Whoever ends up on the opposite side of the military in the end is going to lose.
It depends on how many people end up on the opposite side. Tens, hundreds, for sure. Thousands, likely. Tens of thousands, not so certain. Hundreds of thousands, I don’t know. If the army starts shooting to kill any significant numbers of Americans, things are going to get very interesting.
So glad I never joined the National Guard cause I would definitly refuse to go, and if forced, join the side of of the ones fighting ICE.
Realistically, the rioters are going to eventually be condemned by the peaceful protestors, and the general population will soon follow, thus giving support for law enforcement to squash them and end the fiasco. This has been the case for a loooooong time.
Normally I might agree but this is LA. They’ve been through this shit before.
the rioters … peaceful protestors
Then the peaceful protestors don’t really care about advancing the cause they’re protesting for.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-the-failure-of-nonviolence
Ah yes, I’m sure those peaceful protesters during the civil rights movement didn’t care about the cause they were protesting for.
The civil rights movement succeeded because the authorities were made to realize that if they didn’t play ball with MLK, folks like Malcolm X and Huey Newton were the alternative.
That’s just false, civil rights weren’t achieved through intimidation. The movement succeeded because it achieved it’s objective through peaceful means. The movement organized peaceful protests to raise awareness and bring attention to the issues, they organized and fought legal battles challenging the status quo, they created institutions to help campaign for their causes, and disavowed violence to win over the general public. It is the prime example in history what peaceful protesting can achieve.
The civil rights movement is not alone, other movements like the suffragette movements in the West, the Salt Marches in India, the Singing revolution in the Baltics, and so on all achieved momentous things peacefully.
the suffragette movements in the West
You mean this suffragette movement?
When by 1903 women in Britain had not been enfranchised, Pankhurst decided that women had to “do the work ourselves”; the WSPU motto became “deeds, not words”. The suffragettes heckled politicians, tried to storm parliament, were attacked and sexually assaulted during battles with the police, chained themselves to railings, smashed windows, carried out a nationwide bombing and arson campaign…
the Salt Marches in India,
Why is India partitioned, then? (Hint: take a look at the Muslim League’s tactics and goals.)
the Singing revolution in the Baltics
Kind of a special case; the USSR collapsed all by itself and didn’t try to oppose them.
If this turns into an American Tiananmen Square, you’re going to end up knocking a star off that flag.
On July 4, 2025, where nothing happened in Lafayette Square, Washington D.C.
It depends on whether we’re allowed to talk about it in 5 years.
The rest of the world is watching and will be talking about it even if the “land of the free” isn’t allowed to.
Most of the people on this site that cheer this on also happen to be the ones who think that the Tiananmen Square massacre didn’t happen, and if it did then it was a good thing.
Well, we always knew #RATM were right, but no one expected yet another playbook decades after this album was released in 1999. It all feels that unreal… 😔
“I liked them before they got all political” – Some Republican dumbass.
I can only assume they thought Bulls on Parade was about a family holiday to the beach.
The video for “Freedom” was the first time many in Gen X learned about AIM and Leonard Peltier.
RATM is half the reason for my political awareness and absolutely why I know about AIM (and that Val Kilmer movie but RATM is why I actually looked into it).
There was that Val Kilmer movie
Holy fuck. Some finally have the balls to stand up and fight and a bunch of you are all…this is wrong. Escalation and violence is not ok…or…but they have so many big guns.
Your country is run by a fucking dictator. Your own people are being forcefully removed from their homes and families and put in concentration camps.
Unbelievable.
I have leveled some pretty strong words about Americans in the past- but it wasn’t until this year that they really revealed themselves as a nation of utter cowards.
“…The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empire’s authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege. Remember this. Try.*
-Karis Nemik, Andor
So beautifully written. Andor is the best tv of the decade.
