The Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday announced it will begin the process of pulling prescription fluoride drops and tablets for children off the market. The supplements are usually given to kids at high risk for cavities.

The federal government and some state legislatures are increasingly drawing attention to what they claim are the risks associated with fluoride, a mineral that’s been used for decades in community water systems, toothpastes and mouth rinses to prevent tooth decay.

Dentists fiercely contest the notion that the harms of fluoride outweigh the benefits.

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      Regulations?! In trump’s America?! No way. It costs too much for shareholders

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        Funny. We’re soon going to see how much shareholders like an environment without regulation… like a working SEC.

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    This is such a fundamental change to get used to - some branches of government have been a meritocracy my entire life, doing their best to do the right thing, being careful to heed the best scientific advice, that my immediate reaction is to trust them. Then I remember we’re living in a time where the only qualification is personal loyalty and this particular circus is run by a clown

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      To be fair, the FDA was incompetent / hamstrung in many other areas before. The overriding purpose was to increase profit.

      They, at least they are trying something new :D

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    When my husband was like three his especially neglectful mother wasn’t watching him like always and he ate an entire bottle of fluoride tables and had to get his stomach pumped, this was in the 70s. With childproof caps and general awareness this should really not be considered an issue, kids shouldn’t have unfettered access to pills in general, it’s not a fluoride thing.

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      I beat the rush and stocked up in December, and I hate that that purchase is already feeling justified. One option to keep in mind as well is that tea is relatively good natural source of fluoride. So if things get bad enough, becoming an unsweetened tea-drinker might help.

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          Yeah, I agree it’s weird. As an American who grew up in an area where sweetened tea wasn’t the norm, I hate having to specify. But I also don’t have any faith left in my fellow countrymen, and feel like I have to make it clear for them.

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    So much for parents doing research and deciding if it’s right for them. Yet another bad faith argument.

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    This reminds me of Swish. Did anyone else have Swish growing up?

    It was this program and I think they did it because like the entire community was on well water. Once a month they came in and had us rinse our mouths with this really high fluoride mouthwash. We had to swish it for like 2 whole minutes or something that seemed like a long time as a child.

    It was probably the only thing that saved my teeth growing up (neglectful parents).

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      I remember doing this. Sometimes the flavor was good, other times it was sooo nasty. Didn’t matter, had to keep swishing

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      We had this fluoride foam the dentist put on twice annually. Fruit-flavored foam, suctioned it back off, no rinse, and you couldn’t eat or drink for 30 minutes. Got that for a good number of years. I also recall that due to the combination of that, your city’s fluoridated water, and toothpaste, you could get these faint white spots in the middle of your teeth.

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      We did fluoride treatments but only at semi-annual dental checkups. It was a thick gel that they put in trays and we had to keep them in our mouths for a couple minutes. You had to lean over a sink and let any saliva just drip out because you weren’t supposed to swallow any of it.

      But I also was trained from an early age to brush with fluoride toothpaste every night before bed, so…

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      Someone here recently said RFK is literally just Pestilence incarnate, and I don’t think they are wrong. The dude is the Randall Flagg of diseases. Just waiting for his actual bugchaser arc. Then he’ll plan a mass gathering and dissolve like Gravemind into deadly spores.

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      I bet C will stay forever because some successful marketing campaign convinced people it’s a natural remedy against all types of colds and flu, despite being worthless for that cause. Science ain’t got nothing on a good commercial.

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        Vitamin C supplements are mostly bullshit anyway. Almost nobody needs them.

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        if you have basically any access to fresh food you don’t need to take vitamin C, even half a small potato will give you an entire days worth of of vitamin C and anything more than that will be peed out anyway. Unless you ban all fresh food people will be getting enough vitamin C, this isn’t a 1600s pirate ship, no one needs to supplement it, the supplements are a pure cash grab

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        I don’t know. You can’t overdose on Vitamin C. Rubes don’t like a cure-all unless it’s really bad for you. Vitamin A is the new panacea.

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          You can overdose on Vitamin C, it just takes way more than for fat soluble vitamins and minerals (also not usually fatal). Two 500mg tablets per day has shown a strong increase in long term kidney stone formation. One whole bottle (10g) in a day is “almost certain severe diarrhea within hours; transient hyper-oxaluria, especially risky for people with renal issues. “

          Source

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          I am gonna be so pissed if that worm-infested moron effects my skin care regimen. Vit C and Vit A are very big for me.

          Also I don’t wanna pay more for it because people started to freakin EAT skin serums…

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    Let’s go all out and replace them with meth. Instead of protecting teeth, we’ll eliminate them. Who needs a dentist when you have no teeth? Think of the savings!

    Lisa needs braces.

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    I would’ve been so cooked. This will also just harm any neurodivergent kid with executive disfunction. That plus the autism registry shows a clear attack on neurodivergents.

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      They’re weeding out the “untermensch.” The non-hetero, the mentally and physically disabled, the undesireable ethnicities, the criminals.

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      Same! We moved to a place with well water when I was ~5 and my parents made me use the fluoride rinse

      I hated it bc it was like an extra step, but I was literally the only kid in my school to never have cavities even though I would try to skip brushing all the time. And yeah you called it with the executive dysfunction, but didn’t find out I had ADHD until I was an adult

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        I grew up on well water. I still have well water as an adult. Finally swapping to a prescription grade flouride toothpaste is the only thing that has gotten my cavities in check. It’s been a struggle my entire life.

        Brushing twice a day did not matter. No sweets did not matter. I have basically no candy or sweet drink habits at all.

        I can directly attribute my lifetime of cavity problems to non flourinated water. My dentist agrees.

        This is going to wreck America’s health.

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    This is all so fucking stupid!

    Flouride provides unarguable protection from cavities. To do so it needs to come into contact with teeth.

    Flouride also (very likely) has brain health implications. So you should not swallow it.

    Obvious solution! : what every dentist already does, swish some flouride or hold it against your teeth, then spit it all out.

    Our politicians who want to put it in, and keep it in the water can go right to hell for brain poisoning our youth.

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      It has brain health implications when ingested at levels way above the standard levels used in virtually all water systems in the United States. Stop spreading bullshit. The only evidence of negative health effects from fluoride is based on studies where people were exposed to over 2x the levels of fluoride in municipal water

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        2x is not very much wiggle room for something that causes neurological impairment. Countries that do not fluoridate their water have seen the same cavity decline as the countries that do, most likely due to education about good dental hygiene.

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        “Measurable” is the beast here. IQ typically has to drop 20 - 30 points on average to be measurable. So it’s probable that the current Flouride levels of municipal water are dropping IQs by say 10 points on average.

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          On a population level, I believe they have found that the 2x current fluoridated water levels that OC mentions cause a 1 point drop in IQ. This is huge on a population level.

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        And pretty much every study to this effect is correlative. No sane doctor or scientist is going to make kids OD on flouride to see if they go stupid or not.

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          I am unsure about the other countries, but US tapwater (even well water) is very likely unsafe to drink unfiltered in many areas.

          e.g. PFAS contamination is prolific and remediation is only beginning — very few chemicals are monitored for or are able to be monitored.

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    They try to make Americans weak, sick, and dead on all fronts. As of the US government was under control of a hostile country.